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Scott interviews Ben Cohen, of Ben & Jerry’s fame, about his new project DOGE vs. Blob. Cohen explains how the project aims to get the Trump administration’s effort to cut government to prioritize the absurd amount of unnecessary spending going to the Defense Department. He and Scott discuss the project, reflect on the state of the American antiwar movement and consider Scott’s pitch for a new ice cream flavor. 

Discussed on the show:

• DogeVsBlob.org
• “Our Real National Security Budget” (Andrew Cockburn’s Substack)

Ben Cohen is an American businessman, activist and philanthropist. He is a co-founder of the ice cream company Ben & Jerry’s.

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Scott interviews Professor Alfred McCoy about the history of the drug trade during America’s decades-long involvement in Afghanistan. Before the 1980s, McCoy explains, drugs were not a significant part of the Afghan economy—but that all changed when President Bush’s CIA began arming a resistance against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. These Mujahideen fighters turned to opium for their funding, quickly growing Afghanistan’s opium trade to thousands of tons a year, and accounting for 70% of the world’s heroin trade. When the Taliban wiped out the drug trade in the late 90s, the resulting economic devastation was part of what allowed the U.S. to achieve such a swift military victory. And throughout the U.S. occupation, drugs have once again become by far the biggest part of Afghanistan’s economy. Opium, McCoy concludes, has been an inextricable part of nearly every significant event in Afghan history for the last 40 years, and it is impossible to adequately understand the issues facing Afghanistan without understanding the drug trade. In general, McCoy fears that U.S. withdrawal—which is virtually inevitable at this point—will trigger serious chaos, and may present another “fall of Saigon” moment. If this should occur, it may give war hawks an argument against pulling out of any protracted conflict like Afghanistan in the future.

Discussed on the show:

• “The True Meaning of the Afghan “Withdrawal”” (TomDispatch.com)
• “President Ashraf Ghani on What U.S. Withdrawal Means for Afghanistan” (Foreign Affairs)

Alfred W. McCoy is the Harrington professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. His many books include The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade, A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror and In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of US Global Power. Read his work at tomdispatch.com.

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Doug Bandow discusses the creation of the Vandenberg Coalition, the latest in a long string of neocon think tanks that do little more than promote American interventionism halfway across the world. Bandow reminds us of two strong motivating factors behind this strain of foreign policy: On one hand, there really are a lot of true believers in the American empire—people who think that the U.S. military is a force for good in the world that spreads democracy and maintains relative peace through supremacy. On the other hand, there’s also a huge amount of money to be made for special interest groups as long as the wars keep going. Ending America’s imperial interventionism, then, will require that people see both the human cost of war and also the massive economic costs to everyone except those special interests.

Discussed on the show:

• “Washington War Party Creates Another Organization to Promote Endless Wars” (Cato Institute)
• “The Redirection” (The New Yorker)
• “Let Someone Else Worry About Central Asia” (The American Conservative)

Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a regular contributor at Forbes Magazine, the National Interest, and elsewhere. He’s on Twitter @Doug_Bandow.

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Scott talks to Heather Brandon-Smith of the Friends Committee on National Legislation about the effort to repeal the 2002 Iraq Authorization for Use of Military Force. Although the 2002 AUMF has been less widely cited as grounds for America’s ever-expanding wars in the Middle East than the 2001 version (which authorized the war in Afghanistan), it has been used to justify the war against ISIS in Iraq and the Trump administration’s assassination of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani, among other operations. Brandon-Smith is hopeful that the Biden administration is serious about rolling back some aspects of the war on terrorism, and she and her colleagues at FCNL are working to push the anti-war momentum in the right direction.

Discussed on the show:

• “The 2002 Iraq AUMF: What It Is and Why Congress Should Repeal It” (Friends Committee On National Legislation)
• “With 20th Anniversary of 9/11 Nearing, Biden Team Debates How to End War on Terror” (Foreign Policy)

Heather Brandon-Smith is Legislative Director for Militarism and Human Rights at the Friends Committee on National Legislation. Prior to joining FCNL, Heather served as the Advocacy Counsel for National Security at Human Rights First. Follow her on Twitter @HBrandonSmith.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; Photo IQ; Green Mill Supercritical; Zippix Toothpicks; and Listen and Think Audio.

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Trita Parsi talks about the possibility of diplomatic talks between Saudi Arabia and Iran, which he views as a consequence of the Biden administration’s somewhat less aggressive stance toward the Middle East. People often allege that American military involvement abroad keeps the world safer; in reality, Parsi explains, it is only when the U.S. pulls back from conflict that countries must resort instead to diplomacy. He hopes Biden will make a commitment to ending some of America’s forever wars and, above all, find a solution to the desperate humanitarian crisis in Yemen that America helped cause.

Discussed on the show:

• “Why Mohammed bin Salman Suddenly Wants to Talk to Iran” (Foreign Policy)
• “The Houthis Are Not Hezbollah – Foreign Policy” (Foreign Policy)

Trita Parsi is the president of the National Iranian American Council and the author of Losing an Enemy: Obama, Iran and the Triumph of Diplomacy. Parsi is the recipient of the 2010 Grawemeyer Award for Ideas Improving World Order. Follow him on Twitter @tparsi.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; Photo IQ; Green Mill Supercritical; Zippix Toothpicks; and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott talks to Tom Collina about the alarming plan to expand America’s nuclear arsenal. The $2 trillion package, Collina explains, would include a large investment in what’s known as the “nuclear sponge”: a collection of ICBMs in America’s heartland designed to draw a nuclear attack from America’s enemies, rather than one targeted at Washington D.C. or other major cities. But this policy actually makes things far more dangerous, says Collina, since there’s then tremendous pressure to fire these land-based ICBMs before they’re struck. And if that strike turns out to be a false alarm, the U.S. could accidentally start a full-scale nuclear war. This kind of accident, Collina insists, and not a preemptive strike, presents the greatest danger of nuclear war.

Discussed on the show:

• “$264B for ICBMs That Would Be Destroyed in the Ground? No, Thanks” (Defense One)
• The Putin Interviews
• My Journey at the Nuclear Brink
• The Button: The New Nuclear Arms Race and Presidential Power from Truman to Trump
• The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner
• This Is the Way the World Ends
• “Opinion | Foreign Affairs; Now a Word From X” (The New York Times)

Tom Collina is Director of Policy for the Ploughshares Fund, a nonprofit combatting the spread of nuclear weapons. Collina writes for The National Interest, The Independent, Defense One, and many other publications. Find him on Twitter @TomCollina.

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Aisha Jumaan discusses the situation in Yemen. Although the Biden administration claimed earlier this year that it would end American support for Saudi “offensive operations” in Yemen, they have recently announced that certain support functions—like providing maintenance and spare parts for the Saudi air force—will continue. But this bald-faced reversal, says Jumaan, isn’t even the main issue. Yes, the Saudis are killing innocent Yemenis in air strikes and other direct attacks, but by far the biggest threat to the health and safety of Yemeni civilians today is the Saudi blockade, which continues to stop critical goods like food and medicine from getting into the country. Those who care about ending this U.S.-sponsored humanitarian crisis must forcefully oppose continued American support for the war in all its forms.

Discussed on the show:

• “Biden “Continues to Support Saudi Aggression on the People of Yemen”” (accuracy.org)
• “In Yemen ‘Diplomacy is Back.’ What Next?” (Newsweek)
• “Murphy Chairs First Subcommittee Hearing on Yemen” (murphy.senate.gov)
• “Quiet Support for Saudis Entangles U.S. in Yemen” (The New York Times)
• “‘We Think the Price Is Worth It’” (FAIR)

Dr. Aisha Jumaan is an epidemiologist and the founder and president of the Yemen Relief and Reconstruction Foundation. Find her on Twitter @AishaJumaan.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; Photo IQ; Green Mill Supercritical; Zippix Toothpicks; and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott interviews Andy Worthington about Guantanamo Bay, America’s secret black site prison, where 40 men are still being held, some of them without ever having been charged with a crime. President Obama famously campaigned on closing Guantanamo, but ultimately was unable (or unwilling) to do so. President Trump, too, allowed the atrocious human rights abuses to continue throughout his administration. Worthington is optimistic about the possibility of change, but if the American people continue to turn a blind eye to this issue, things may simply carry on indefinitely.

Discussed on the show:

• “The Obama GITMO myth” (Salon)
• “The Guantanamo Files” (WikiLeaks)
• “State Department Cables” (WikiLeaks)
• “Baghdad War Diary” (WikiLeaks)
• “Kabul War Diary” (WikiLeaks)
• Boumediene v. Bush

Andy Worthington is the author of Guantanamo Files and the director of “Outside the Law: Stories from Guantanamo.” Read his work at the Future of Freedom Foundation and AndyWorthington.co.uk and follow him on Twitter @GuantanamoAndy.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; Photo IQ; Green Mill Supercritical; Zippix Toothpicks; and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott talks to Dan Gifford, producer of the famous film, Waco: The Rules of Engagement, about the tragedy of the Waco siege, all the government and media lies to cover it up and what really happened behind the scenes. Gifford shares his decades of experience looking into this topic, including all the times when the government tried to shut him up.

Discussed on the show:

• “What Really Happened At Waco And The Establishment Collusion to Cover It Up” (Dan Gifford)
• “Will ABC really tell us what happened at Waco?” (Patch)
• “Waco: The Rules of Engagement (1997)” (IMDb)
• “Waco: A New Revelation (2000)” (IMDb)
• “The F.L.I.R Project (Video 2001)” (IMDb)
• The Ashes of Waco: An Investigation
  
• “How the Government Covered Up the Waco Massacre” (The Libertarian Institute)
• The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany
  

Dan Gifford is a national Emmy-winning film producer and former reporter for CNN, The MacNeil Lehrer News Hour and ABC News. Check out his work on IMDb or his website, DanGifford.com.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; Photo IQ; Green Mill Supercritical; Zippix Toothpicks; and Listen and Think Audio.

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