Scott talks to Jay Schweikert about the promising developments in New Mexico, where a new state-wide law has been enacted that repeals qualified immunity as a legal defense for any public official. This is a similar move, says Schweikert, to legislation adopted recently in Colorado and New York City, but whereas in those places the new measures apply only to police officers, the New Mexico law covers all government employees. Scott and Schweikert consider this a great first step in eliminating the unjust privileges that protect public figures from being held accountable for their actions.

Discussed on the show:

• “New Mexico Enacts Landmark Qualified Immunity Reform Legislation for All Public Officials” (Cato Institute)

Jay Schweikert is a policy analyst with the Cato Institute’s Project on Criminal Justice. Follow him on Twitter @jay_schweikert.

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Scott interviews national security attorney Jesselyn Radack about her work in the protection of whistleblowers. Daniel Hale, the man who leaked the so-called “drone papers” to the Intercept in 2014, has just pleaded guilty to violations of the Espionage Act in what Radack calls yet another travesty of justice. Because the Espionage Act, of course, has nothing to do with espionage. It’s never used to go after spies—or any real threat to the well-being of the American people—but only to prosecute people who bravely risk their livelihoods and freedom to expose secrets that Americans have a right to know.

Discussed on the show:

• “Former intelligence analyst Daniel Hale pleads guilty to leaking classified information” (The Washington Post)
• “The Drone Papers: Secret documents detail the U.S. assassination program.” (The Intercept)
• The Assassination Complex: Inside the Government’s Secret Drone Warfare Program
  
• “Citizenfour (2014)” (IMDb)
• “National Bird (2016)” (IMDb)

Jesselyn Radack is a national security and human rights lawyer who heads the Whistleblower and Source Protection Program at ExposeFacts. She is the author of TRAITOR: The Whistleblower and the “American Taliban”. Follow her on Twitter @JesselynRadack.

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Trita Parsi talks about the state of negotiations between the U.S. and Iran. President Trump, of course, made a point of withdrawing from the JCPOA and increasing hostilities with Iran, deliberately parting ways with one of President Obama’s signature issues. But the Biden administration, says Parsi, seems serious about reestablishing diplomatic relationships with Iran, especially as they continue to demonstrate advanced nuclear capabilities. Contrary to the common narrative, Parsi explains, it isn’t America’s cruel and futile sanctions regime that brings the Iranian government to the negotiating table, it is the Iranian nuclear program that brings America to the table. Naturally, peace between any nuclear armed countries is good for global safety.

Discussed on the show:

• “Biden Team Seeks a Way Out of Nuclear Standoff With Iran” (Foreign Policy)
• Going to Tehran
• “To Save the Iran Nuclear Deal, Think Bigger” (Foreign Affairs)

Trita Parsi is the president of the National Iranian American Council and the author of Losing an Enemy: Obama, Iran and the Triumph of Diplomacy. Parsi is the recipient of the 2010 Grawemeyer Award for Ideas Improving World Order. Follow him on Twitter @tparsi.

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Scott talks to Peter Lee about the ongoing Uyghur controversy in China. The Chinese government, he says, is trying to integrate their minority Uyghur Muslim population, as part of their larger project to urbanize and centralize China. There is growing concern, especially on the American right, that these efforts represent an outright genocide, with claims of mass forced birth control and up to a million people in detention centers. These fears, Lee says, tend to be exaggerated—though what the Chinese government is doing might be something more like cultural genocide. He stresses that it is important to acknowledge the horrors faced by many citizens of China’s authoritarian government, without using something like this as an excuse to advocate war.

Discussed on the show:

• “Peter Lee’s China Threat Report” (Patreon)
• China Matters
• Sterilizations, IUDs, and Mandatory Birth Control: The CCP’s Campaign to Suppress Uyghur Birthrates in Xinjiang
• “2/19/21 Gareth Porter on the Misleading Data Behind Uyghur Genocide Claims” (The Libertarian Institute)
• “US State Department accusation of China ‘genocide’ relied on data abuse and baseless claims by far-right ideologue” (The Grayzone)
• “4/2/21 Larry Wilkerson on the Global Struggle for Power in Asia” (The Libertarian Institute)
• “G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra (2009)” (IMDb)

Peter Lee writes on East and South Asian affairs and their intersection with US global policy. Follow his work on Patreon and on Twitter @chinahand.

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Lyle J. Goldstein discusses the terrifying possibility of war between the U.S. and China. There are plenty of hawks in the U.S. government, he says, who might try to fight China were they to attack Taiwan or exert their influence elsewhere in the region. But even leaving aside the potential catastrophe of a nuclear war, Goldstein says American strategists don’t give enough credence to the possibility that China could now defeat the U.S. even in a conventional war. The entire doctrine of trying to be the dominant military power in the world forever is foolish, wasteful and dangerous—instead, America should make clear that it would defend its major allies against unreasonable Chinese aggression, but otherwise not try to govern the other half of the planet under the threat of military force.

Discussed on the show:

• “Beijing has a plethora of military options against Taiwan after 2022” (The Hill)
• “The Indo-Pacific Strategy Is a Recipe for Disaster” (Lawfare)
• 1992 Draft Defense Planning Guidance
• “The Longest Telegram: A Visionary Blueprint for the Comprehensive Grand Strategy Against China We Need” (War on the Rocks)
• Meeting China Halfway: How to Defuse the Emerging US-China Rivalry
  
• “The Rise of the Rest” (Fareed Zakaria)

Lyle J. Goldstein is Research Professor in the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI) at the United States Naval War College in Newport, RI. He is the author of Meeting China Halfway: How to Defuse the Emerging US-China Rivalry. Follow his work at The National Interest.

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Scott interviews rapper Immortal Technique in a wide-ranging conversation covering the legacy of slavery in America, the false narrative about Palestine fed to most Americans and the ways that politics has become entwined in daily life like never before. He and Scott agree that the powerful have always deliberately played up the petty differences that divide us, hoping to separate and embitter people who should be natural allies. Social change is possible when regular citizens unite against those who perpetuate the evils of war, colonialism and oppression.

Discussed on the show:

• Sykes-Picot Agreement
• Rome and Jerusalem: A Study in Jewish Nationalism
  

Immortal Technique is a Peruvian-American rapper and activist, best known for his albums Revolutionary vol. 1, Revolutionary vol. 2, The Martyr and the upcoming Middle Passage. Follow him at Viper Records or on Twitter @ImmortalTech.

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Scott talks to Larry Wilkerson, former army Colonel and Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, about America’s involvement in Asia, both during his time in the federal government and today. Wilkerson calls America’s exploits over the last few decades a part of “The Great Game,” a reference to the conflict between global powers like the British and Russian Empires over territory in the Middle East and the rest of Asia. This competition for hegemony never really ended, he says, although the players and stakes have changed to some extent. These days, the U.S. competes with China and Russia for control over fossil fuel supplies, trade routes and access to the nuclear stockpiles of smaller powers like Pakistan. But he and Scott agree that we have no business whatsoever trying to be the dominant power halfway across the world, and should pull our focus back to our own problems.

Discussed on the show:

• McMafia: A Journey Through the Global Criminal Underworld

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Grant Smith discusses the Israeli government’s occupation of Palestine and its treatment of the Palestinians. There seems to be growing recognition that Israel is presiding over a form of apartheid, including a 2017 UN report attesting to that fact, and a small plurality of Americans, according to a recent survey, who believe America should cut aid to Israel over human rights abuses. But Smith also recognizes that government policies here and abroad often follow a “ratchet” effect—that is, small changes can be made pretty easily in one direction, but almost never get rolled back once instituted. And the trend in recent years has unmistakably been toward greater subjugation of the Palestinians by the Israelis and greater American support as they do so.

Discussed on the show:

• Architects of Repression
• Israel Lobby Con
• “‘Cut Aid Over Israeli Apartheid’ Say Americans: Poll” (Antiwar.com Original)
• “Is Israel an ‘apartheid’ state? This U.N. report says yes.” (The Washington Post)
• “US: It’s our longstanding position that the West Bank is occupied” (The Jerusalem Post)
• “A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid” (B’Tselem)
• Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid
  

Grant F. Smith is the author of a number of books including Big Israel: How Israel’s Lobby Moves America, Divert!, and most recently The Israel Lobby Enters State Government: Rise of the Virginia Israel Advisory Board. He is director of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington, D.C.

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