6 thoughts on “08/15/14 – Karel Van Wolferen – The Scott Horton Show”

  1. Fishy

    Something ‘fishy” he says.
    There is this:
    “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian “Boeing-777” will not be disclosed.”

    В рамках четырехстороннего соглашения, подписанного 8 августа между Украиной, Нидерландами, Бельгией и Австралией, информация о расследовании катастрофы малайзийского “Боинга-777” разглашаться не будет.


  2. mennie

    For me the first messages are the most trustworthy just because they have been released without filtering or censoring.
    That is what Twitter does to people, we can see other examples of it in the Dutch news as well where people get embarrassed or even loose their job because of what they say without thinking in a 140 characters message and a picture.
    The rebels in DNR and LNR area are limited in ways of official communication and very mobile, I can imagine they are using Ukrainian cell phone or wired infrastructure and accessing Twitter or VK “cloud” media would be the easiest way to spread the world for them.

  3. Claus Eric Hamle

    As mentioned the US is deploying missiles in Romania and Poland and on 32 ships in the Mediterranean Sea as part of a strategy of disarming first strike. Of course, this leads to Launch On Warning and Suicide by mistake. Stop the missiles or commit Suicide ! Because they don’t realize it’s suicidically counterproductive General Harbottle said to me: They are bloody fools in the Pentagon!

  4. James Robbins

    I find the commentary on Ukraine at antiwar.com not unlike the MSM. I also found Karel interview lacking in information and depth. The reality on the ground is that the Junta forces are losing the battles and based on the destroyed armor and many videos they lost over 5,000 dead with the loss of the 24th, 25th, 30th, 72nd, and 79th Brigades in the fighting. Several Right sector “National Guard” units and and least three of Kolominsky’s merks have been wiped out. Think 4th generation war vs Junta 2nd generation war.

    The real tragedy is the thousands of dead and wounded civilians being shelled by the Junta. Their water, electricity and food is running out, and I am speaking of cities which formally had 350,000-750,000 residents.

    It is truely weard that there is a complete news blackout in the western media on the Ukraine war except for Simon Black and Mish’s commentary. Why is this?

    Interesting that sober Ukraine analysis is coming from three knowledgeable sources:
    Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault
    The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin
    By John J. Mearsheimer

    “The United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process — a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win.”

    Article | May22,2014
    Ukraine: A Prize Neither Russia Nor the West Can Afford to Win
    By: Clifford G. Gaddy and Barry W. Ickes

    Presents a game theory approach and shows that Finlandization is the only acceptable option. For those who would wish to punish Russia they feel that giving Ukraine to Russia would be an effective strategy.

    (3)Podcast by Simon Black titled “Dulce et Decorum est Pro Patria Mori”


    Makes the case that Ukraine is a failed state facing inflation, economic contraction and much higher unemployment. As a regular visitor to Ukraine he ultimately sees Ukraine tipping into stagflation whereby the rich Ukrainians (and other vultures) can come in and pick the bones at fire sale prices (as in Serbia). Remember that about 50 oligarchs account for 85% of the Ukrainian GDP.

    The Regime call for sacrifice by the people based of nationalist/fascist ideology finds a breeding ground in a destitute population. The latin title translates to “It is sweet and fitting to die for your country” Among the rabid fascists this message is like mainlining crack.

  5. Claus Eric Hamle

    Please help make desicionmakers understand that the emerging US Nuclear Primacy is counterproductive, i.e. Suicidal. The missiles in Romania and Poland will probably lead to Launch On Warning and Suicide by mistake. Stop the missiles in Eastern Europe or commit Suicide !

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