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Jesse Trentadue returns to the show after a long hiatus for a deep dive on the Oklahoma City bombing with Scott and Richard Booth. The three explore what we know about what happened, how it differs from the official narrative and what most likely explains the gaps in our knowledge.  

Discussed on the show:

• Oklahoma City Bombing Archive
• In Bad Company: America’s Terrorist Underground by Mark S. Hamm
• The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
• Oklahoma City: What the Investigation Missed—and Why It Still Matters by Andrew Gumbel and Roger G. Charles
• “Why did this cop turn up dead?” (CNN)
• An American Bombing: The Road to April 19th (IMDb)

Richard Booth is the Glenn D. Wilburn Fellow at the Libertarian Institute and an independent citizen journalist and member of the Constitution First Amendment Press Association (CFAPA). You can find Richard’s journalism at The Libertarian Institute, and on his Substack. Follow him on Twitter @booth_okc

Jesse Trentadue is a lawyer and the brother of Kenneth “Kenny” Trentadue, who Jesse believes was killed by police after being mistaken for Timothy McVeigh’s accomplice in the Oklahoma City Bombing. Jesse is on a decades-long quest to seek justice for his brother’s death and unveil what really happened in the days and weeks surrounding the April 19, 1995 attack. 

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Scott is joined by Adam Kokesh, who gives his perspective on how much blame cops and soldiers bear for the immorality of their actions. Scott describes the way we seem to cut soldiers some slack, largely because they tend to be younger when they join up, the propaganda is so much fiercer and it can be difficult to quit the military. But Kokesh, a combat veteran himself, is adamant that people can absolutely leave the military once they realize they no longer believe in what’s being done. He describes this process and provides resources that can help soldiers start to do the right thing.

Discussed on the show:

• Adam vs. The Man
• GI Rights Hotline
• Homefront Battle Buddies

Adam Kokesh is a libertarian political activist, radio host, and author. Follow him on Twitter @adamkokesh.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott talks to Daniel Davis about his recent Fox News article praising President Biden for standing firm (so far) in his intent to end the war in Afghanistan. Davis explains that although the Taliban takeover and the increase in violence in the wake of the American military’s withdrawal is regrettable, it was also predictable. And no matter whether we left ten years ago or if we were to leave in another 20 years, a stable peace in Afghanistan is simply not going to be achieved in the foreseeable future. It’s better to leave as soon as possible, cut our losses and stop inflicting harm on the Afghan people who don’t want America in their country in the first place.

Discussed on the show:

• “20 years is enough, Biden right to plan firm end to war” (Fox News)
• “In Afghan War, Officer Becomes a Whistle-Blower” (The New York Times)
• “Rambo III (1988)” (IMDb)

Daniel Davis did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan during his time in the army. He writes a weekly column for National Interest and is the author of the reports “Dereliction of Duty II: Senior Military Leaders’ Loss of Integrity Wounds Afghan War Effort” and “Go Big or Go Deep: An Analysis of Strategy Options on Afghanistan.” Find him on Twitter @DanielLDavis1.

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Scott interviews Ray McGovern about his decades as a CIA analyst, with a particular focus on U.S.–Russia policy from Kennedy to George H. W. Bush. They also discuss America’s growing antagonism toward Russia and China in recent years, and the attempt to expand NATO eastward. McGovern describes not only the many follies of incompetent and hubristic government officials, but also the ways that special interests—like those of the military-industrial complex—are often deliberately advanced at the expense of the well-being of American citizens.

Discussed on the show:

• Mary’s Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Their Vision for World Peace: Third Edition
  
• The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner
  
• JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
  
• JFK: The Smoking Gun
• “JFK (1991)” (IMDb)
• The Yankee and Cowboy War
  
• “Opinion | Chicken Kiev, the Sequel” (The New York Times)
• “The Putin Interviews” (SHOWTIME)
• “The Rape of Russia, Testimony of Anne Williamson Before the House Banking Committee” (Softpanorama)
• “TIME Magazine Cover: Boris Yeltsin – July 15, 1996 – Boris Yeltsin” (TIME)
• “Ideologies behind the Soviet Power” (Foreign Affairs)
• “Opinion | Foreign Affairs; Now a Word From X” (The New York Times)
• Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War
  
• “The Real Reason to Intervene in Syria” (Foreign Policy)
• “NYET means NYET” (WikiLeaks)
• “Opinion | What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria” (The New York Times)
• “Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call” (BBC News)
• “The Afghanistan Papers” (Washington Post)

Ray McGovern is the co-creator of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity and the former chief of the CIA’s Soviet analysts division. Read all of his work at his website: raymcgovern.com.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott talks to Muntadhar al-Zaidi, the Iraqi man who famously threw his shoes at George W. Bush in 2008. At the time, Al-Zaidi hoped to bring awareness to the suffering inflicted on the Iraqi people by Bush’s war. He has continued his activism in the years since, especially his efforts to help the roughly five million orphans of America’s Iraq War.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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Independent journalist Ford Fischer tells the story of Johnny Hurley, a Colorado man who was killed by police after he stopped a mass shooting. Hurley came out of a store after seeing the shooter kill a police officer with a shotgun and then go back to his car to retrieve an AR-15. Hurley killed the shooter, preventing any further deaths, but was then shot by police officers, who claimed he had picked up the original shooter’s rifle. Fischer has made a short documentary about these events, and about Hurley’s life and voluntarist activism, hoping that it will raise awareness of what the Arvada Police Department has done, and prompt them to be more transparent about happened. Because the police have refused to release crucial security camera footage, the details of the day’s events remain murky.

Discussed on the show:

• “Johnny Hurley: the anarchist concealed carrier who stopped a mass shooting – Documentary” (YouTube)
• We Are Change Colorado on Twitter

Ford Fischer is co-founder and Editor in Chief of News2Share, an independent media outlet based in Washington, D.C. Follow his work on Twitter @FordFischer and @N2Sreports.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott and Daniel Larison discuss the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and what it means for America’s stance toward Eastern Europe. The main issue with the German pipeline, Larison explains, is that it will allow Western Europe to buy Russian natural gas without having to deal with Ukrainian transit fees. Ukraine has portrayed the pipeline—and the fact that the U.S. is allowing it to happen—as a betrayal by the West, and has lobbied for sanctions on Germany. Larison is relieved that the U.S. government is backing down from its opposition to the pipeline, because he sees it as a sign that it won’t risk jeopardizing its relationships with countries like Germany and France in the future for the sake of the much more significant issue of Ukraine’s NATO membership, which Germany and France oppose.

Discussed on the show:

• “What Nord Stream 2 Means for NATO Expansion” (Antiwar.com)
• “Ukraine Is Part of the West” (Foreign Affairs)
• “Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call” (BBC News)

Daniel Larison is a contributing editor at Antiwar.com, contributor at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and former senior editor at The American Conservative magazine. Follow him on Twitter @DanielLarison or on his blog, Eunomia.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott talks to Nasser Arrabyee about Yemen, where despite the Biden administration’s assurances almost six months ago that the U.S. would be ending its support for “offensive operations,” the Saudi coalition continues to terrorize the Yemeni civilian population, with crucial American support. The biggest problem facing Yemenis right now, of course, is the Saudi blockade on the Hodedah port, which prevents food and other basic supplies from making it into the country. Until the blockade is lifted, Yemen will remain what according to the UN is the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.

Nasser Arrabyee is a Yemeni journalist based in Sana’a, Yemen. He is the owner and director of yemen-now.com. You can follow him on Twitter @narrabyee.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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Scott and Patrick Cockburn speculate about the future of Afghanistan as the United States ends its military involvement there. Cockburn reminds us that although the Taliban are making gains in parts of the country, they are far from universally popular, and the likelihood of an entirely Taliban-controlled Afghanistan seems somewhat low. This, he stresses, means that “the war in Afghanistan” is not going to be over anytime soon, just because the U.S. is leaving—and fighting between the various powers there may continue indefinitely without us.

Discussed on the show:

• “The forever war in Afghanistan is far from over” (Independent)

Patrick Cockburn is the Middle East correspondent for The Independent and the author of The Age of Jihad and Chaos & Caliphate.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; EasyShip; Thc Hemp Spot; Green Mill Supercritical; Bug-A-Salt; Lorenzotti Coffee and Listen and Think Audio.

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