Sorry I'm late.
I had to stop by the Wax Museum again and give the finger to FDR.
We know Al-Qaeda, Zawahiri is supporting the opposition in Syria.
Are we supporting Al-Qaeda in Syria?
It's a proud day for America and by God we've kicked Vietnam syndrome once and for all.
Thank you very, very much.
I say it, I say it again.
You've been had.
You've been took.
You've been hoodwinked.
These witnesses are trying to simply deny things that just about everybody else accepts as fact.
He came, he saw us, he died.
We ain't killing they army, but we killing them.
We be on CNN like Say Our Name been saying, say it three times.
The meeting of the largest armies in the history of the world.
Then there's going to be an invasion.
All right, you guys, on the line, I've got Philip Weiss.
He runs the blog Mondo Weiss, and it's basically, I think, fair to, you know, oversimplify and characterize as liberal American Jewish anti-Zionism is what's going on here at mondoweiss.net.
Absolutely fair, yeah.
Right?
Is that right?
Welcome back to the show, Phil.
How are you doing?
Thanks a lot, Scott.
I'm doing great.
Congratulations on the book.
Thank you very much.
I really appreciate that, man.
I'm enjoying it.
I'm enjoying them.
I'm learning a lot.
That's more staggering to me.
I just, you know, this is material I thought I knew, and I mean, you've really connected the dots.
Great, man.
Well, thank you very much.
That means a lot to me coming from you for sure.
I already said that off the air, but I'll say it again so that everybody can hear it forever in an MP3 format for all history.
And also, I mean, just like your policy push, your policy ask is pretty clear, and, you know, we're the Democrats on that one, you know?
Where's my liberal side, you know?
Right, especially when Donald Trump is the president.
What have they got to lose?
Go ahead and post them on everything.
This is a thing that he's doing.
But of course, you know, as Dave Smith, the comedian Dave Smith, said it best, he was like, it's not just that they're embarrassed because they didn't say anything while Obama was doing it.
It's that they still maintain that Obama was great.
And so if they have to admit that escalating in Afghanistan is the wrong thing, they can't reconcile it, so they'd rather just be quiet about Afghanistan.
I guess that's the value judgment.
Liberals, progressives out there, what's the answer to that, right?
Yeah, I agree.
It's a little bit like all the neocons who are still in power or still have positions in Washington after supporting the Iraq war, because all the liberal hawks were for it too, and if they have to admit the mistake, then they all lose their jobs, you know?
Yeah, everybody is having to resign over a bad pass nowadays, but if you lied us into war, boy, man, you get a promotion for that.
Yeah, I mean, you think of all the damage that Me Too is showing that occurred to women, and I'm not denying that there's been a lot of damage shown, but I walk around in my town and there's a guy who's maimed in the Vietnam war, and there's another guy who's maimed in the Iraq war, and when is there going to be an accounting for that?
Yeah, exactly.
And yeah, it's funny too, because you look at Brian Ross, this is not a sexual thing, but he made a really bad call, which actually tanked the stock market for a few hours the other day, about whether Flynn was contacting the Russians during the campaign, or after Trump had already won the election, which was everything.
And of course, if he'd been drawn and quartered, or drowned, or I don't know, just drummed out of journalism forever back in 2001 and 2002, when he was caught peddling the complete lie that Saddam Hussein must be behind the anthrax attacks, then that never would have happened.
Mark Halperin, he lied us into war in Iraq.
What's his name, Lauer, he lied us into war with Iraq.
So all these same guys who are in trouble now for bad journalism, and for their sexual misconduct, and all these things, these are all the same people who should have been held accountable for getting a million people killed 10 years ago.
Wow, yeah.
I'm curious to look into Matt Lauer and Mark Halperin's record on that, you know?
Yeah, I mean, actually, I don't know for certain on either of them, but I guarantee they were saying, well, so when should we go and get his weapons now or later?
Whatever stupid construct they were all going along with at the time.
I mean, I remember an editor of mine at a mainstream publication saying 15 years ago to me, well, Hillary Clinton had to support the Iraq War, Phil, you don't understand.
And it's kind of like, oh my God, you know, that was truly the establishment understanding, you had to support this thing.
And, you know, they didn't say that, you know, today, they're heroes who opposed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
And, you know, we, by comparison, there hasn't been that accounting for those people who supported the Iraq War authorization of use of force, right?
Yeah.
And all the people, the neocons inside and outside of the administration and all the media, you know, parroting puppets who just went along with that narrative.
It was that indestructible narrative that we all know he's making nukes and VX gas.
The only question is whether you want to do something about it now, like a real man, or whether you want to be a wimp like a Democrat and maybe wait another few months and then do it, wait for permission from the French to say it's okay first.
You know, that was the entire construct.
Remember that?
Well, should we give the inspectors more time or should we just go ahead and start?
That's the only question you're allowed to debate, you know?
Right.
Right.
I'm sorry.
Hey, let's talk about, they talk about fake news on the internet, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, come on.
Yeah.
So listen, man, um, gottang, uh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem.
Yeah.
I'm just not sure whether to ask you about the Sheldon Adelson angle first or second, I guess.
Let's go ahead and talk about the facts for a little bit.
Um, what all would, what's the deal with Donald Trump announced exactly what and what's it matter?
Tell me.
Trump said that he recognizes Israel as the, uh, Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, something Israel has long sought and, uh, that the American administration has refused to do.
And he said he was going to take steps to move, uh, the American embassy to Jerusalem.
It's not, he's given himself some wiggle room on that, but he essentially blessed the Israeli claim that they are, uh, the, that they have Jerusalem under their sovereignty.
When in fact, Jerusalem is occupied in an occupied city and the UN always planned for it to be an international city.
So, uh, he also completely upended the peace process when he did that, because the peace process was supposed to negotiate who would, you know, kind of shared sovereignty of Jerusalem.
And by saying that Israel has sovereignty of Jerusalem, even though he said, yeah, someday we may give the Palestinians some sovereignty there too.
He essentially nullified, extinguished the peace process.
It's a moment of great despair for people who were thinking that the peace process was going to produce a Palestinian state and a sensible people have seen this moment and recognize that the Oslo process of now 25 years long is really defunct and has only produced greater suffering for Palestinians as we're seeing more suffering for Palestinians right now.
It's produced ethnic cleansing for Palestinians in Jerusalem because Israel has always claimed Jerusalem and has built more and more Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem.
As to the politics of it, I mean, why did Trump do this?
No, wait, wait, let's go back to politics in a minute.
So let's talk about Jerusalem for a second some more.
So, uh, in the 67 war, Israel occupied all the West bank, including East Jerusalem.
I'm not exactly sure why it's always sort of labeled separate from the rest of the West bank.
So maybe if you could clarify that, but then also, so there's the question of East and West where the Israelis, they already just took, and did they cleanse West Jerusalem at the time?
Or they just built up a Western side of Jerusalem or something?
Because now what, what the change is, is they're saying that all of Jerusalem is Israeli and East Jerusalem is no longer to be the future Palestinian capital.
Is that right?
Pretty much.
Uh, yeah, you got it pretty much right.
I mean, in 1949, the UN created a, uh, negotiated an armistice line, uh, that ran, that was called the green line that ran through the up, uh, alongside the West bank and through Jerusalem.
And so at that time, after the war of the Palestine war of 1948, what Israel calls its war of independence, Israel did have the Western half of Jerusalem.
And in that war, Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from neighborhoods in West Jerusalem.
Okay.
You're saying that, okay, I'm sorry.
I never realized that.
I thought that the Israelis didn't occupy Western Jerusalem until 67, but you're saying that was part of the original ethnic cleansing.
So that makes sense.
That was part of the knock buzz, why there's, why it was under Israeli control at this time.
So then what changed in 67?
You could walk through, you can walk down through Jerusalem right now and on a line between East and West Jerusalem, that's getting blurred more and more, but that's the old green line.
And to the West is Jerusalem neighborhoods of Jerusalem, uh, including where they put the Knesset, you know, and the, uh, prime minister's house.
Those are all in these fancy West Jerusalem neighborhoods, but that's Jerusalem.
And yet those were neighborhoods in which many Palestinians also lived that were ethnically cleansed.
I think Edward Said's family was ethnically cleansed.
Uh, certainly, uh, Gada Carmi, uh, leading British writer, her family was ethnically cleansed from West Jerusalem.
I have friends who live in East Jerusalem, whose families were ethnically cleansed from West Jerusalem.
Ali Abunimah's family lived South of Jerusalem in a village that was, uh, ethnically cleansed and they moved into, uh, I believe into, uh, right across the border.
So the, the green line.
That's the one that runs the electronic intifada, by the way.
Yes.
And so 1967, Israel got the rest of Jerusalem.
And then when they annexed Jerusalem, what they did was they, uh, Jerusalem has always been a small city, but when they annexed the city, they made, they declared, this is the borders of metropolitan Jerusalem.
And it was this huge sprawling, uh, you know, it's like Jacksonville, Florida.
It's one of the biggest cities around.
I mean, it's just got all these suburbs, almost down to, uh, Bethlehem on the South, almost up to Ramallah on the North.
And so they, they created this boundary that includes a great number of Palestinian neighborhoods.
And what we think of as East Jerusalem, that's Jerusalem to them.
So when a lot of analysts right now are saying, Oh, Trump didn't foreclose a process by which Palestinians will get a capital in East Jerusalem, they're wrong because the way that, uh, Netanyahu understands this is you just gave a blessing to our boundary of Jerusalem, which includes all these Palestinian neighborhoods.
And so they sort of, uh, it just solidified this Israeli claim, which is an occupation.
They occupy all of East Jerusalem and they have moved more and more Jews in.
They have ethnically cleansed more and more Palestinians.
And now Trump has said, Hey, you guys, you're doing great.
And let's be clear, Palestinians don't like what they heard.
You know, that's, that's, that's the audience that matters here, I think.
And they, they understand what this means.
They understand that the end of a peace process, that Oslo was a charade and that the Americans have never been on their side and, or, or even been neutral in this, that Americans have always been on the Israeli side and the mask was just pulled off again, two days ago.
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Yeah.
So that's really the thing, right?
And I know this has been your position for a long time is that the peace process has at least been a de facto hoax.
If I don't know if you think that that was the point all along, but it certainly has not resulted here in the year 2017.
We're talking about it finally died.
There never was a separate Palestinian state that was created after they promised they would really back at camp David, right?
In 1978 or 79, they promised in 1947 at the UN that they would give Palestinian sovereignty.
Well, I guess, yeah, I'm just talking about after they occupied the West bank, they promised they would end up leaving at some point.
And instead they're just colonizing the whole thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they always say that Palestinians rejected partition of the, of, of historical Palestine.
And, you know, so they deserve what they get, but maybe that's the case that they rejected.
I mean, Palestinians did reject partition, but the Israeli Zionist Jews have also rejected partition again.
And again, they said we're for partition and we're creating two States in this land.
So we can both share the land, but they have acted completely against that type of policy.
By the way, can you talk about the year 2000 a little bit, because there's a story, maybe it's true that the Israelis under Bill Clinton's persuasion finally decided, okay, fine.
We'll give up the West bank to be a separate independent Palestinian state.
And Yasser Arafat said, Oh no, the perfect answer.
They're completely giving in and I don't want that.
And so he told the perfect answer.
No, because it threatened his own personal power because that's how those dirty Palestinians are.
So maybe, maybe that's what happened.
Maybe not.
What do you think?
I don't think that that happened.
I think that what I think Arafat rejected a bad deal.
And in fact, the fact that it was a bad deal is evident from the fact that in months to come, the Israelis offered a better deal.
And so they were offering a deal at Camp David that was something like they were holding onto 7% of the West bank and the promises on Jerusalem were not very good.
And Arafat, it would have been political suicide for him to support it.
His people would never have supported the bad deal.
And the worst part about it was that after the deal fell apart, Clinton and Barack, uh, Barak, the head of, uh, the prime minister of Israel, they blamed the Palestinians and Barack came home and said, the Palestinians are no partner to peace.
They, they don't want to make a deal.
I'm going to phrase with that too.
They use that every time.
Well, there's no partner.
That's what they say.
Yeah.
And he destroyed his own party by doing that.
Barack did, because if there's no partner for peace, why support any kind of peace camp in, in the Israeli polity?
And those people have been, uh, I mean, you, you have a Jewish nationalist polity over there.
Let's be clear.
This is not everyone talks about, you know, the all right and white nationalism.
I don't know how much traction those people have in my country, but I can tell you that religious nationalists run that country in Israel, Jewish nationalists run it.
And they're the only game in town.
There's a 20, 25% non-Jewish population inside Israel proper.
They don't really get a vote when it comes to forming a government.
And what you have is a right-wing religious nationalist government that, you know, if you hate Arabs, that's how you get ahead, man.
All right.
So now here's the thing of it too.
And I should read all the books on this because it's actually pretty fascinating to me, but it's a, no, I don't mean on this.
I mean, on something else, what they call the public choice theory, which means that whenever you think you're making a decision in politics, you're not, you're making a different decision at the end of the day.
Basically the economics of politics always lead to these perverse incentives and decisions and whatever.
So I'm probably, you know, misstating it, but anyway, I'm still right.
Anyway, but so the point is here is this thing.
A majority of one is pushing the embassy move Sheldon Adelson.
That's by you at Mondoweiss.net.
A majority of one Sheldon Adelson.
So who is he?
And how come one man gets to make, gets to help the U S president make this horrible decision, which, you know, according to everybody is going to lead only to negative consequences here.
Well, Sheldon Adelson is the largest contributor to the Trump campaign of last year.
He and his wife Miriam gave $35 million.
So, and Sheldon Adelson has on several occasions this year, including according to his own newspaper in Las Vegas, he has expressed anger or impatience with Donald Trump for not following through on this Jerusalem business.
And Sheldon Adelson going back to the year 2000, when he was giving a lot of money to George Bush and getting that president, helping that presidency get in, Sheldon Adelson was demanding that Jerusalem not be divided.
So Sheldon Adelson has had enormous influence over this.
And I think that while Trump's speech clearly shows that he enjoyed bucking American tradition and he enjoyed doing what other presidents have not done, which is, you know, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Trump obviously is a disruptor, likes that kind of stuff.
The other thing that he was doing was he was getting Sheldon Adelson off his neck, because this guy's been saying again and again, hey, I got you into the White House, or I helped get you into the White House.
You haven't delivered on Jerusalem.
Now, the press loves to say that he's appealing to his evangelical base, Donald Trump, by doing this.
Maybe that's true.
Maybe the evangelicals like this a lot.
But I can tell you that this has been the sort of central issue for Sheldon Adelson for the last 20 years during the peace process is to keep Jerusalem from being divided.
And he got a giant victory this week.
Yeah.
All right.
Now, so to this Israeli right that you're referring to, which I guess includes Sheldon Adelson here for intents and purposes.
Yes.
The West Bank is a big supporter of Netanyahu, Sheldon Adelson.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and that's an important point too, isn't it?
That we don't really know.
It would be an interesting experiment to see what if American right wing Zionists were forbidden from participating in, I mean, not necessarily, you know, dual citizens voting is one thing.
But if you if Americans were forbidden from donating and influencing, you know, the elections over there, maybe what their government would look like.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a right wing nationalist occupation driven government at all, but instead would, you know, reflect more of the politics of Tel Aviv than Jerusalem, so to speak.
I somehow doubt that.
I think that they are that society is, you know, it's a security state.
There's a lot of strains of fascism in that place that have to do with Jews against Arabs, and they're trying to kill us.
And that stuff is a lot of that's homegrown.
But so anyway.
Wouldn't make much difference if it wasn't if American right wing Zionists weren't participating, it'd still be the same difference over there.
I think so.
Yeah, I think it'd be just as bad.
I mean, I think that they're getting enabled by American right wing Zionists and American liberal Zionists and anti Zionists such as myself.
And here I'm talking about the Jewish community, because I regard the Jewish community as the community that cares most about Israel, apart from the Palestinian community over here.
But American Jewish community, I think, has huge influence.
And that community has failed to take on the right wing Zionists and militants in our own community.
That's huge.
And that's beginning to change, but that could make a difference.
Well, I think, you know, I guess I was just talking with Mark Perry about this, and he was saying, you know, just what you just said, it's beginning to change.
People are finally getting it through their head.
What's the big deal anyway?
You know, in a world where TV never really explains this, it's finally getting through, right, that you have about half the population of the country that has no political rights.
I mean, that's the deal.
They've been pretending that someday they're going to give up the territory where most of these people live.
But now that that pretense is over, now that it's not the West Bank, it's Judea and Samaria, a couple of counties or districts inside Israel proper, all the way to the Jordan River, then now what are you going to do about the individual rights of the people who live there?
Although, you know, Mark Perry was saying to me in regards to one state and equal rights that, yeah, you know, maybe in another generation, but boy, is that going to not happen soon.
But in other words, the reason that there's such a controversy here is because there's a real emergency.
There's this permanent crisis of this occupied and politically powerless population there.
And I don't mean to neglect the people of the Gaza Strip as well.
Right.
I mean, and let's go to what this is essentially about.
This is essentially about people who can't say to their children, you're going to have a better life than mine or you're going to be able to live out your dreams.
And that is true of Palestinians, regardless of class, of status, with some exceptions.
Yes, in Israel, I mean, there are some Palestinian aspirations that might be fulfilled.
But by and large, these people have no rights and have no future.
And it's just it's a dismal, dismal place.
It's just one of the bleakest places on earth to go over there and to see apartheid enforced and being supported by the United States government and being supported by the most one of the most liberal communities in America, the American Jewish community.
And the fact that my community, the American Jewish community, is not woken up to this is is a tragedy.
And it's going to be taught in history books.
But maybe it's finally happening.
And Trump driving a stake into the two state solution is going to force a lot of the liberal Zionists who have been saying, just hold on, hold on.
Israel's going to redeem itself to admit, no, the Palestinian persecution has never ended and will not end under the present government or even the opposition Jewish government, because that's what you're dealing with.
You're dealing with a Jewish nationalist state.
And Netanyahu and Ehud Barak and Isaac Herzog, they're all sort of the two sides of the same coin.
Well, now, so what about the president of Israel?
I know he's powerless, but Rivlin is his name and he says some interesting things sometimes.
So is there any way he can become the prime minister and make a difference or just forget it?
I don't think he aspires to be prime minister.
I think the thing I like about Rivlin is that he seems to, you know, lack some of the racism of his Likud kin's people.
And he seems to understand that fascism and racism are now deeply inbred in Israeli society.
And he has tried to jerk Israel back from that somewhat.
But he is an exception in that respect.
And, you know, what it will take, though, is for a brave Israeli leader to say one person, one vote.
You know, when is that going to happen?
And where are the liberal Jews in the Israel lobby who make up such an important part of the Israel lobby?
When are liberal American Jews going to say, hey, guess what?
We believe that everyone should have the right to vote for the government that controls their lives.
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And let's talk about the first national security advisor of the Trump administration, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, formerly right-hand man of General McChrystal in the war in Afghanistan.
So Russiagate, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, it turns out is all about Israel.
Phil?
I don't know how big the Israel piece is.
I don't know how big it is in Mueller's mind, but certainly when the charging documents were published last week and the Mike Flynn guilty plea to lying to the FBI, one of the things he lied to the FBI about was work he was doing for Israel, which is during the transition in December, 2016, he spoke to the Russian ambassador and urged him to block a UN Security Council Resolution 2334.
That was the resolution that condemned Israeli settlements as a flagrant violation of international law and a resolution that the Netanyahu administration did not want to go through, but which the Obama administration did want to go through as its parting shot against the Israeli government.
And here was the Trump transition team, including Jared Kushner and Mike Flynn, working to try to block that resolution.
Yeah, amazing.
And then, so all the media hype, all the kind of pent-up anticipation for this, it all went, I mean, they did go ahead and let go and say, aha, see, Russia, Russia, Russia, because he made a phone call to the Russians and then very little attention in the media about how very contrary this was to the narrative that the Russians were the ones telling the Americans what to do and that the Americans were at their service and all this kind of thing.
Here's the Americans begging them for a favor, making what seemed like first contact on this issue and asking them for a favor and being denied and declined, and that is all about Israel.
That part, I forgot now, and I'm sorry because I would like to give credit, but there was a couple different people have mentioned this, but somebody did a really good job of showing, it may have been Ted Snyder at Consortium News, is that right?
I don't know.
Somebody showed a bunch of examples, Phil, of stories where they just omitted Israel altogether.
Oh, really, during the coverage of this?
Uh-huh, where they talked all about this and they were saying, yes, well, it was a UN resolution.
I know, it's crazy.
I agree with you.
I've seen that again and again.
The other night, Chris Matthews is saying, they were, now we have the evidence that they were operating and they were pushing Russia's interests.
They weren't pushing Russia's interests.
I mean, maybe that narrative, maybe there is some basis for that narrative.
Mueller's charging documents offered no basis for that narrative.
I mean, they were not, this was not in Russia's interest.
And in fact, Russia decided its interest was to support that resolution.
And so it defied the Trump transition team on that.
And similarly, the other thing that he lied about to the FBI about, Mike Flynn, was that he asked the Russians to go easy when, not to bridle when the Obama administration imposed sanctions on them for their behavior in the Ukraine.
And I guess the implication there was that, hey, when we get in town, we'll lift those sanctions or we'll ease that up.
But again, it's hard to say that they were operating in Russia's interest there.
They were trying to clear their own agenda.
Yeah.
And of course they talk about this like, who in the hell are you to do something like that?
Well, wait, he was the designated national security advisor of the president-elect of the United States of America is who he was.
He was serving in a government capacity.
He wasn't a private citizen.
He was in transition.
As they say, he was a pseudo government employee setting the stage for the policy of the new incoming government.
I mean, for God's sake, the whole thing.
And here's what I like about this too, is take all the question begging out and all the presumption of scandal and guilt here.
Hey, guess what?
These kooks want to lift some sanctions on Russia.
Right.
Good.
Who cares about that?
I say lift every sanction on everybody.
Does that make me a loyal servant of Kim Jong-un or I just am opposed to aggression?
How about that?
You know, the way that they frame this is that this is somehow treason for a president to say that as and look in Ellsberg has this new book out called The Doomsday Machine about how Russia and America's governments could kill every one, not hyperbole, omnicide, omnicide, all of us.
And right.
And that the idea that they should not be talking, I mean, just given that practical reality, that's the best thing Trump has ever said was about, you know, Syria, Hillary Clinton's pushing regime change in Syria.
No, you talk to the Russians about Syria.
I mean, that's crazy.
Yeah.
I mean, and yeah, the presumption that well, I've always thought it was interesting about you and unique about you that you watch Chris Matthews.
Whenever we talk, you always talk about what Chris Matthews says, you know, that my wife shut me down on that.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, she don't want no more Chris Matthews.
I just certainly understand her point of view there.
Yeah.
But no, it's interesting because it's important to you to see that point of view and where it is that what's what counts is the standard presumption of everything here.
And, you know, because it's not just that he's such a weathervane, right, which he is, but it's also that he can read books and stuff.
He's not just an anchor.
He's he's he's not a journalist, but he's, you know, so smart.
And thoughtfulness.
I mean, he's a very political.
He's a he's a mainstream political guy.
And that I find him fascinating in terms of just, yeah, the weather vein.
And I want you to give me a little credit, man.
I do not watch Rachel Meadow.
I can't do that.
Yeah, I talk about Russiagate.
She's going nuts about Russiagate.
Yeah.
No, I mean, she's to me like Hillary Clinton.
I'll read about her, but I ain't listening.
No way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Too painful, man.
All right.
Well, listen, I sure appreciate you coming on the show and talking about this stuff with us.
And congratulations on the book, man.
Thank you again, man.
Really appreciate that.
Okay.
All right, guys.
That's a great Phil Weiss.
He's at Mondoweiss.net.
And there's a great stable of writers over there, too, man.
A dozen of them or something.
And they just cover great stuff.
Sign up for their morning email.
I certainly did.
This one is called Flynn's Plea on Russian Influence Reveals Israel's Influence.
And this one is by the editors, including Phil.
Trump just pushed the two state solution over the cliff at Mondoweiss.net.
I'm Scott Wharton, scottwharton.org, antiwar.com, libertarianinstitute.org, foolserend.us for my book, Fool's Errand, Time to End the War in Afghanistan.
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