All right y'all welcome back to the show It's anti-war radio I'm Scott Horton.
I Forgot to mention that nullify now thing coming up in LA this Saturday is sponsored by anti-war comm in part Which is important to mention All right now to our next guest Karen Kotowski.
She's a former lieutenant colonel in the US Air Force and She writes for Lou Rockwell comm and I forget you're a teacher in college too, right Karen Well, yeah, I teach I teach them online classes in a couple of colleges.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I do it from home I do it from home.
Okay, gotcha and She wrote an article called the new Pentagon papers for salon.com And she also wrote a three-part series beginning with in Rumsfeld shop for the American conservative magazine And also there's a great article all about her in the LA Weekly called soldier for the truth And also there's a gigantic archive at Lou Rockwell comm which includes All the pieces that she wrote Anonymously for David Hackworth site soldier for the truth from inside the Pentagon where she witnessed the neocons lying us into the Iraq War and Was spilling the beans from the inside there And of course if you just go back through my archives you can find a lot of great interviews And let me just mention one more interview of Karen Kotowski Which will inform your opinion to incredible degrees and well just your knowledge base, too It's a Brian Lamb's interview of Karen on C-SPAN Q&A it's called and it probably if you just google C-SPAN and Karen Kotowski Which is spelled like quiet koski.
You will find this incredible interview transcript and video Highly recommended.
Okay.
So now to what happened at the press club No first now to you're running for Congress in Virginia I am I'm running for for Congress here in the 6th district of Virginia at the upper Shenandoah Valley area and Got talked into it.
I didn't really it wasn't quite my idea, but more I thought about it Decided to do it.
We're actually running in a Republican with a Republican district.
We're running against a Republican incumbent he's on his 10th term and He is a real establishment Republican loves the Patriot Act loves the wars All these things and on some things he's good, but on most things he's not good enough And so we're gonna push him pull him to the to the Liberty right Side of the house in this in this campaign.
We haven't formally announced What I've seen be changing maybe you'll win yeah, yeah, well actually there's there's a you can never tell what's going to happen He's quite unpopular amongst his own Constituency so we're tapping into that and I'm not a fully trained Jedi Knight But I can kind of see the future and I think there's me watching you on the house floor on C-SPAN Giving a great speech.
I'm That's good.
I love it and you know Ron Paul needs a little bit of help.
He needs as many You know Liberty coalition Liberty caucus members as possibly needs people to stand up and and you know help what he's doing the good work That he's doing the Honorable you know he has such principles We need more people like that up there and since I don't really I don't have a desire for power I think that makes me a good candidate and plus I'm I'm not nearly as educated and smart on Liberty as Ron Paul But I know how to I know how to listen to what he says well You certainly would know how to vote on this or that bill.
Yeah I don't think it has much trouble figuring out you know how to make decisions on these things It's not difficult Our Congress with the problem with the Congress you can see it is that they don't have any principle And they don't have any education in classical liberalism They don't understand what the founders were talking about and they don't care so that's their problem if they would simply You know if we had more Ron Paul's I don't think we'd have this country would not be in the situation that it's in so you know We're running it.
We're gonna do it.
It's gonna be fun.
There's gonna be some dirt slinging coming up.
It'll be fun cool Yeah, it sounds great.
I'm really excited about it.
I think you know as far as your career in the house is concerned um I read a article a letter to the editor of the Houston Chronicle Complaining about Ron Paul and saying you know his what he's supposed to do is bring us home the bacon instead all he does is go Up there and write articles and give speeches and vote no, and I thought yeah exactly perfect So I figured Karen if that's what you do write articles give speeches and vote no You'll be just great And I will put a plug in for the website.
It's Karen K for Congress calm great And that's a good idea sticking with the last name Karen K for Congress calm Yeah, because there's no way if it was Kutowsky forget about it I don't know well.
I bet you could probably spell it wrong and Google would correct your spelling actually you're probably right Yeah, thank goodness for Google spell correction All right, well, that's just great.
I'm excited and best of luck to you on that Let's talk about what happened at the press club a little bit here.
We'll get in some before the break yesterday you and Phil Giraldi and Allison Ware of And I'm not sure if you're part of the group or not those two both are the from the Council for the National Interest Foundation Phil's now the executive director of it, and are you officially a member of that?
I don't I don't think I'm officially a member of it.
No, but I'm a supporter And I see and so you guys gave a you guys gave a presentation at the press club yesterday.
Tell us about that Yeah, we had a there was a panel of four folks, and there was a retired ambassador as well career ambassador Who also spoke and his name escapes me, but it's on their website in any case some each of us got up and talked about really some perspective of the great cost that the Cost to the United States that our military aid packages to Israel bring us in so you know Phil brought up a Great point about the the spying that goes on the espionage and the technology theft that goes on Which is of course actually amazingly well publicized in this country the mainstream media does in fact sometimes report technology Theft by the Israelis and reselling and sometimes they use our technology and sell it just you know not necessarily Illegally, but it's it's illegally gained, and then they market it so in play you well sometimes They market in places.
We don't want like China in the past, but you know this is not a good practice And this is this is habit.
I mean this is ingrained habit for these really for these really government I mean, this is not something that they can blame on a few bad apples like we always do this is policy So this best he brought some of those things up We just talked about the cost of it and the the trends and what it means and very short little Presentations that each of us had and then we took a few questions from the audience and truly you know this is a pack week in DC Netanyahu week in DC and So there weren't we do as as expected not a huge Amount of folks there although press TV was there and a few others, but mainstream American media totally absent We were in the press club.
You know 13th floor in one of their Medium-sized conference rooms in any case the problem happened.
I mean because we it was it was fine.
It was it was good We made our case and It all worked out.
Well.
Well wait a minute.
You know what it's awesome Okay tell us more about the case that you and Allison made to and then maybe we talk because I think the conflict isn't really the important part actually yeah Allison's presentation of brought up the Cumulative aid to Israel and estimates on what that was some of it is more conservative estimates by the Congressional Research Service Which is in the hundreds of billions and other estimates to go up to 1 trillion dollars since 1947 And this is not inflation adjusted so we could easily say a trillion dollars Conservatively if we adjusted for inflation which we which we did not do so You know we're looking at this money poured into a country of at the time in 1947 1.3 million today Close to 7 million, but it's a small country as Netanyahu himself pointed out You know it's no bigger than what a little bit bigger than Delaware or something like that so It's it's a small country per capita They're receiving far more than let's say for example the folks in Joplin, Missouri are going to be getting Okay as a result of their of their hurricane tornado situation just this week So it's kind of weird how it happens and of course It's all a political game, and she talked a little bit about apex role and influencing Congress And of course we could see that today in Netanyahu's speech where I think he got something like 28 standing ovations I mean, you know are we the Soviet Union or what I mean, that's just nuts well You know what Karen?
Just I was preparing for the show and I was swamped I wasn't able to hear the speech I was kind of reading the closed caption out of my eye a little bit But I did see the very beginning with the volume up with the volume up where John Boehner introduced him as his excellency Benjamin Netanyahu, did you see that what he's supposed to his excellency?
I never heard that one before in that Yeah, all right well so then some controversy broke out we're gonna hear all about that after this break It's Karen Katowski from Lou Rockwell calm and Karen K for congress.com.
We'll be right back All right y'all welcome back to the show It's anti-war radio I'm Scott Horton, and I'm talking with Karen Katowski Heroic whistleblower Spilled the beans on the neocons and Their deliberate efforts to lie us into war with Iraq, she's a regular writer for Lou Rockwell calm She's running for Congress in Virginia If you'd like support in that kind of thing and now Karen So I'm not sure if you said exactly what your talk was about you talked about Phil and Allison's yeah I put together just a couple of you know we all keeping it really short.
I just kind of Summarized what we were getting or not getting from this investment and my point was more in a sense them from an American Population perspective that you know as our government goes broke of course which it is doing Americans themselves are interested in they expect Congress to really look at cost benefits when we're giving out free money and so I kind of took a cost-benefit perspective and Certainly we've been promised for years and years and years and years and years all this aid will provide Security and peace peace for Israel because you know Israel is our friend and we want them to have peace and in fact the more we give them the less peace we have and Certainly the whole region is racked with Anxiety and hatred in part due to and we're and we're in that we're in that mix in part because we You know give so much aid and also How the aid is Taxpayer money we say well three-fourths of this money this three billion a year So that will give you and this is just military.
This is not other types of aids and loans and things It's just pure military aid if What is it called foreign military financing that kind of thing well?
We tell them three-quarters of it you have to use to buy American Products and one quarter you can buy Israeli products and so they have their own burgeoning defense industry much of which got started with The stuff they either bought begged borrowed or stole from us so you have that that scenario which is different than most FMS most FMF and What and one of the way that it's justified by the Congress is will give foreign military aid But you will buy a hundred percent of that back in American companies So it's a big white collar welfare program for Boeing and you know Raytheon and all of these companies But with Israel of course they've it's changed over time And they actually get to take some of that money do their own thing which is sometimes They sell back to it we but we pay for it twice if we buy any of the products that they've actually Developed and used or constructed and produced on some of our FMF money anyway We get it coming and going and it's not really paying off in terms of peace It's not paying off in terms of best interest of the United States, which I think is what the whole Organization counts for the national interest is about they're looking at what's in America's interest And that's what the founders would be thinking about and that's what most people in this country would be thinking about up until You know really the last 40 50 years Well, I mean anyway my point was kind of that it didn't have any hard-hitting You know terrible things I did I did mention Saudi Arabia as the other Religious state in the region that we support You know we don't we don't give a lot of FMF to Saudi Arabia You know we they they actually buy weapon systems from us because it's a petro-dollar It's a wealthy state in that respect, but we do Provide them a tremendous amount of overarching quote-unquote security.
You know we've got our military basically You know promises to protect Saudi Arabia, and we certainly protect the House Assad from their own people so In a sense that's very much So I put Saudi Arabia as a root as an Islamic state a wahhabi state in a sense I put them in the same category as I do a Jewish state now that that is probably the most radical Suggestion that I made in my think I just start thinking about these things objectively.
What are we doing is it in our interest?
Does it make sense in accordance with our principles?
And is there a better way and of course there is a better way and that's to cut the cut the foreign aid well The thing is to I mean it seems to me like when you look at all the racial Colonies in the West Bank for example and that kind of thing that it is in our principles the principles of the 19th century That said it's okay to do this to the Indians, but I think You're right Right we all feel bad about that somehow that yeah, it shouldn't have been that way Yeah, right.
That's exactly what our principles have changed since then Yeah, the um That's right.
They've they've gotten in some ways better But certainly the extermination and I did use the word I think extermination of people the cantoning the garrisoning of peoples That are undesirable or not necessary to the functioning of your government.
That's certainly how we did the Indians and you know Native Americans we Cantoned them and exterminated them and that was policy and very much what?
You know Israel is doing in the 20 in the 20th century in the 21st Which is which is at this point alarming and that we're funding it is extremely alarming and I did mention I mentioned Gaza in particular because the Gaza Blockade and the Gaza attacks After they elected the wrong person in Gaza that was the same year we did the 10-year 30 billion dollar Deal to give you know to give the 30 billion over 10 years to Israel.
That was our latest our latest I don't know if it's a deal for Israel.
It's not a deal for Americans, but you have our latest promise our latest Commitment to Israel was that 30 billion and that occurred after the blockade and and the initial attacks and Bombing of Gaza and of course that continues that whole Gaza situation continues.
There's there's fewer Palestinians there I think than there were And certainly they're not living a free life.
I thought it was funny in Netanyahu's talk.
He emphasized that the only free The only free Arabs in the whole region he said were the ones that live in Israel and you know I don't know enough about it to say that's true or not You know, I can say if they're free that live in Israel.
I don't believe they're free to proselytize I know Christians are not free to proselytize in Israel This was something that I know military folks found out a lot of I knew a guy I'm digressing a little bit where we are on the topic of Israel I I knew a guy who was in the military and he'd had a tour there in the one of the I guess our embassy There and I don't remember if it was Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.
I think he was in Tel Aviv though in the administrative capital but anyway, he Was a Christian and of course was friends with other Evangelicals there and he said, you know very much and this again reminds us of Saudi Arabia You didn't go out with a with a New Testament You didn't go out and try to convert anybody and if you didn't you know, this is their habit I mean, this is one of the commands of evangelical Christianity, you know, what if it's preached the gospel and such?
So you can't do that in Israel.
So is that a free practice of your religion?
Well, not quite That's not exactly 100% freedom and but that is how if you're a Christian in Israel That is how you will behave you will not proselytize So if that is something that a Christian believes is important to spread the good word Guess what?
I ain't gonna happen in Israel.
So I don't equate that to 100% freedom and I don't think you know There's much Islamic proselytizing going on in the confines of Israel either You know, I don't know Saudi Arabia has the same restrictions on Christianity you're not going to be carrying by effect if you if you take a Bible in and it gets off of a base Or they find it at customs in Saudi Arabia.
It's not it's not going anywhere.
They will confiscate it.
So Um, that's not religious freedom, okay, I don't want Netanyahu's talking about but I think he's just kind of trying to sell a storyline You know, it's a tough situation, but I think our money that we that we give to Israel certainly the military money is Is not it's not good.
It's not good for us.
It's not good for Israel You know creates a kind of a dependency that I think many Israelis actually resent, you know, because you know who wants to be on the handy, you know receiving handouts all this I mean it very much is insulting at some point.
All right.
Well, I guess I want to give you a chance to talk about this Yes, I mean you guys okay and it is really Showed up real quick before we're out of time And then if there if it's possible to to make that brief and then comment perhaps on the distortions in our foreign policy Other than just the West Bank and Gaza and all that kind of thing But like say for example Iran and what our relationship might be with Iran if it wasn't for the powerful Israel lobby in DC Absolutely.
Yeah very quickly after we did our our conference in the press club The just amazingly we stand with Israel group was in the same conference room right after us And so we were vacating they were entering so there was some overlap and I'm not sure exactly how it happened But there was some conversation.
I think I said, well, what group are you and what are you and anyway?
Immediately it was just like You could feel the the hairs going up on people's backs is the aggression factor started to flow and a number of the gentlemen There well, they weren't they weren't gentlemen males of the human species They you know began to physically crowd Allison and me too, but I wasn't really talking I was just kind of there and You know invade their space and challenge them with who are you and and and and then when they identify?
Oh, you hate Jews and you I heard that being yelled out and you guys are left.
I was on press TV The Iranian state TV covered it if no one else Yeah, press TV got it.
And so there is that you can you can find that I'm on press TV And I think if you just Google it or look you should be able to see it there They videoed it but what shocked me was the level of Basically subcutaneous aggression.
I mean it was there immediately This is a Christian evangelical group is a Christian Zionist with a small number of Jewish folks that were there I mean for the most part this group is Christian Zionist.
Okay, so these are Americans American You know, what would it be?
Okay If I keep you through the break and get one more thing because we do want to talk about this another issue that you have Yeah, great.
Karen Kotowski from Luke Rockwell calm and a bunch of other great places, too.
We'll be right back All right, so it's anti-war radio I'm Scott Horton Now it's our bonus extra third segment with Karen Kotowski Pentagon whistleblower and candidate for US Congress in Virginia alright now The Council for the National Interest which is led by Phil Giraldi and Allison Weir Did a presentation at the National Press Club yesterday and Karen Kotowski joined them for that and then they were confronted by Some pro-israeli people who didn't like that so much and I think maybe we'll play a little bit of that audio Tempers flared at the prestigious National Press Club in Washington DC You have gone there as a radical leftist who hates Jews Don't you stick things in my face a Pro-israeli advocate knocked a camera out of the hands of Allison Weir president of the Council for the National Interest Foundation Then they talk about you know, this is Iranian state TV, but it is what it is Apparently you can't get American TV to cover things like this But no, no, the only thing that American press covers is a pack and pro-israeli stuff for the most part Out of the hands of a woman basically, you know aggressing against her she was just taking a picture of him Yeah, I saw him do that I saw the guy do it and The camera Broken to and and the one part of it the memory of it or that's a phone iPhone I guess it was and it broke into the memory part flew about six or seven feet across the room Towards where I was so I was watching that and um, he reached out and just slapped it out of her hands and hit her in the hand, so technically, you know, you have a You know, you have to hit people and but what struck me about the thing and of course the key person there that I did know or recognize was Jerry Boykin and Jerry Jerry Boykin retired three-star general army general Had already been fired from the military because he's the guy who infamously you would wear his full dress uniform to religious services on Sunday morning and Talk to them about how we would win in Iraq and every other place because our God was greater than the you know Then Mohammed Mohammed's God and this whole big anti You know insulting condescending degrading viewpoint that he had towards Islam as a as a religion and of course Muslims as the followers of that religion he was Embarrassing the Pentagon if you can imagine Karen was he it was him in Cambon ran the joint Yeah, so the interesting.
Yeah, that was another very curious kind of alignment because here I was in a room witnessing his He wasn't the one who slapped the camera out, but he was very aggressive very angry and he said, you know, very very rude Right up front.
I mean he didn't he wasn't responding to rudeness.
Allison is a nice person.
Just said nothing said nothing rude at all But their their immediate reaction to anyone who is perceived as against them was Angry hostile aggressive that kind of thing.
I thought I recognized him.
He said saying, you know, it was Boykin And so we we knew who it was But but you know, these folks are evangelical Christian Zionist, I mean, they're not and and yet they're acting in the most un-christian way you can possibly imagine Parts of the Bible Trump others I think Okay, and and the other thing like here's Boykin who I have read much about never had met him at all when I was in The Pentagon and he was big-time responsible for the push to war I don't know how much manipulation of intelligence that he had although after seeing him speak and act I'm not sure how if they would even let him read intelligence or he would understand what he read if he saw it because he he came across as very much a By you know, I don't insult anybody but he didn't come across as very bright guy So, um, you know very emotion emotion driven person is how he appeared to be and that that struck me as unusual because I've met many many many generals and The one thing that you normally get from them is that they're not emotion driven Just uh, you know, they're calm.
They're thoughtful even if they aren't in real life They try to come across that way and as a retired general He's the first retired general or active one that I've ever met that came across is really just a loose cannon And and emotional which is just weird to me from my 20 years in the military is weird but anyway, he's there who promoted a war that I quit over pretty much and and arguing for Continued abuse and I'm sure they don't want to use the word extermination, but I think that's how they see it the world would be better without Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank and That's how they think they say I don't know how they justify that cruelty But that's how they think and here's Allison who became an activist for this whole thing because she saw how Palestinians are treated and were treated so You know at first hand so here's three people in a room brought together from three different perspectives But all of which relate to each other and let me let me just tell you Allison came off extremely Professional even though she was under duress obviously getting the camera slapped out of your hand by an unknown man I mean, this is this is frightening.
It's been and you know Scott, you know, you know, obviously you're a guy and you know guys It's a little bit different for women, you know We don't we're not used to guys like hitting us and if we are in a situation where a guy might hit us There's a sense of there's I think a greater sense of concern, you know, women are not there are women boxers I guarantee that but most women are not physical fighters You're a woman, you know, we're not we're not fighters, you know so it was a very Strange strange situation to have 50 and 60 year old men striking out at 50 and 60 year old women I know I was watching this Where's Phil in this video?
It's part of it, you know, yeah it's um Just think insane and I'm glad I got to witness it because it's one of those things are just like the lying on the way To war in Iraq if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes, I wouldn't have believed it Yeah, well Phil must have been in the other room at the time or something, huh?
Yeah, this was he he was either in the other room or gone because this was as we were exchanging, you know we were exchanging the conference room we were leaving and Packing up our things and and they were coming in setting up for their meeting.
So it was a transitional thing.
Yeah So, you know what here give us some more expertise about I don't know even you know within the realm of DC Possibility how different for example some of our foreign policies might be if it wasn't for Having to deal with Israel all the time and not just the occupation Well, I think the containment policy of Iran, for example Yeah Well, certainly Iran is no threat to the United States and Iran has a great many resources that we in the United States at various Sectors of our society whether it's consumers or companies would love to get in on I mean we are interested in Iran for much the same reason We're interested in Iraq and that's because they have resources We would I think without the influence of the lobby And without the influence of the far right which Netanyahu represents in in Israel if this was not our overwhelming concern And we didn't listen to those guys unquestioningly, which is how we form our policy We say well, what do you want to do Netanyahu and he tells us and we do it So and that's been that way for years beyond, you know before Netanyahu is very similar So if we didn't have that I think we would be trading with Iran and we would have been trading with Iraq It could have been trading terrorist prisoners with them Sure.
Sure.
Why not?
Yeah, you know, I saw Michael Sawyer on TV I mean, this is this is an awful thing to say, but those governments in Iran in Iraq Fraud wonder sodomy things certainly a socialist national socialist, you know Ba'ath Party Religious rule in Iran a very awful government But by golly if you ask them to get a terrorist for you, and they were a friend of yours I don't think it would have taken ten years Yeah, well, you know, I mean these guys these guys are You know their systems their status systems, which I don't approve of are brutal as all status systems are but that brutality might actually Have you know have have done an ugly deed for us because in the end we're just as bad as them because Obama You know Obama orders the murder of a guy suspected of a crime, you know, in fact not even charged You know, we never charged Osama with 9-11.
If you looked at his rap sheet on the 10 most wanted We wanted him for the coal, you know And Cheney said this is an act of war.
We're not calling a grand jury We're gonna declare war on 60 countries if we feel like it.
Yeah.
Yeah So we've become we've become the very thing we hate that we criticize Iran for that We criticize that that we've been in the past we criticize Saddam Hussein for you know, we've become that so maybe we don't need friends To do our business because we'll just go shoot him in the head ourselves without trial without judge jury It will be will be the executioner, you know I mean, that's the thing we've adopted for ourselves and many people in this country cheer that which is a which is a shame That's something they'll need to ask forgiveness for you know at some future time because that if you don't share murder I don't care what I care what it is You don't hear it and I certainly don't hear it when it indicates the loss of your Republic Which of course is what is unfortunately what this very public?assassination on the part of Obama Had done I I think I think Bush had had done very similar things But the public nature of it with the some of bin Laden Assassination and the cheering of it the allotting of that by media.
This is scary It tells you what our country has turned into but yeah what the Middle East would look like I think we would be trading with many many countries and I think if we weren't if we were not So tight in with with Israel We would also not need not have needed to be in so tight with Mubarak Also an evil dictator at the time for 30 years and we wouldn't have needed to support the house of sod Like we would have had to because you know what if we were in the trading mode Anybody who's running this country's is going to sell one thing the one thing they got and that's the will that's all they got You know, I mean for the most part they're not producing much else than oil They need to sell that oil to get the other things.
They want to sell and any any Administration would would sell the oil so we wouldn't need to prop up the house of sod But why do we prop up the house of sod because it does what we want with regard to not standing up for the Palestinians Okay, so which is one of the things bin Laden was upset about you know, he said hey, you know You're supposed to be good Saudis and all that but you let the our Palestinian brothers get you know tread upon whatever So he had a falling out with the house of sod in part because of the fact that they don't stand up for the Palestinians Which we pay for dearly and and we do this because why because Israel drives our entire You know Middle East policy and it's not when I say Israel I really am talking about You know the government the far-right government and AIPAC which is even farther right than Netanyahu if you can imagine that Yeah well I mean that's really kind of been one of the ironies of this whole era has been how the neocons and Israel lobby in America Oftentimes disagree with the Israeli government and are more hawkish like when they tried to do the the negotiations with Syria a couple years ago and it was and they get the AIPAC leaders get angry phone calls from members of of the Knesset in Israel, they get angry phone calls.
They call AIPAC and they said what are you doing?
This is not where we stand.
Why are you advocating for this in a pack?
There's no noise, but you know, this is the information problem The fact that you know, we use a centralized you're not in touch with your you know Your customer per se and so AIPAC is but I I'm not as worried about AIPAC as I used to be regardless of the press Coverage, I think AIPAC is a group of old men much as Jerry Boykin, you know, 50 60 year old guys And that's not old but mentally they're very old mentally They cannot change and when you can no longer change then you're old That's it And these guys are old AIPACs old led by old people the young people are not interested in AIPAC and they're much more Practical I think in many ways whether they're you know, Jews Christians and Muslims for that matter They're young people are looking at what's gonna cost me Okay, and AIPAC costs way too much and our Israel policy cost us way too much and I think it's going to change I think it's going to change and I actually There was one question that I had that partial answer to in the conference yesterday or the panel and they said well, you know about the about where the pressure will come from if Congress is not going to change the Policy because they're afraid of AIPAC, you know messing with their re-elections you know how will change happen I said well, you know if the as the defense industry feels the Money dry up and certainly American money is going to dry up and come to some extent for our defense industry I think that cuts have to be made They will no longer be willing to share profits with the competitors in Israel that basically borrowed stole their stuff Or, you know lifted their technology They will play hard hardball with that because when it comes to money, there are no loyalties There are no, you know, oh, these are my buddies.
No, it's cash cash on the barrel head and if that starts to shrink You know, you're not going to see Israel get free money to spend on competing non-american defense product Whether it's homegrown or from Europe or whatever So, you know, I think the pressures the financial pressures are going to cause us to ask and answer these hard questions about Particularly aid to Israel, but also all for me because it's really About it's all bribes in every sense.
I mean wherever we give money even though we don't have conditions on our Israeli aid It's still for most of the countries that receive aid We do it in such a way to enrich our government connected contractors and to bribe the government Yeah, it's that great Richard Cummings article, he's a Lou Rockwell writer, too He had that great one at playboy.com Lockheed stock and two smoking barrels.
Oh, yeah.
I haven't read that yet Yeah, well, I don't you know, you should be Well, no, you can read that Or Karen it's it's it's completely g-rated at other than the content of the article.
It's completely g-rated.
They're at Corp Talking to smoking barrels and it's you know Andrew Coburn said the neoconservative movement by definition in his eyes meant the cross between the American military Industrial complex kind of the Western establishment some belts establishment Combined with the Israel lobby as versus kind of the old Rockefeller Republican East Coast establishment type guys and yeah Lockheed is really seems to be especially when you read that article seems to be the apex of that where virtually every one of Your old friends from the Pentagon there were related to Lockheed in one way or the other Hadley was one furthest removed.
He was a lawyer for him.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's uh, you know It's with the government military industrial complex white collar welfare.
I mean, you know, this is the You know, it meets most most definitions of fascism would be met if you looked at those Relationships and how decisions are made and how money is moved You know, it's an awful.
It's an awful thing and that's it and it's also hard to change if the common people Average people who say well, I vote, you know every couple years or so and I can everyone so I write my congressman You know, how come nothing changes?
Well, it's hard to change that kind of thing.
I mean, it's difficult because what truly motivates Congress and decision-makers and executive appointees is the you know connection to these big companies and the jobs that are promised and you know, really I Think isn't greed one of the seven deadly sins I Yeah, I think it is but you know, there's a reason cuz what's greed I mean, that's not that bad, right?
Well, it's the willingness to hurt other people for your own gain When you think about it because You would not if you didn't want a job and most of the people most of the high-ranking guys You know working at the Pentagon or many of these high government appointments, you know They're always thinking about their next job and how much more money they can make and these open this revolving door and some of these big Government dependent we see the same thing in the pharmaceutical industry, you know in some of the insurance industries as well So all the big lobbies, you know, these doors are open They want the congressman to come in retired make a lot of money the appointees to have a second career You know, I mean if you weren't greedy, you could actually be more principled And I think this is usually what makes Ron Paul stand apart.
I mean the man is just not greedy You know one time about Dick Army Who they kind of came to Congress together?
In a way like back, you know a long time ago and Dick I used to have some kind of principles or something how he came up bragging about how much money he'd been making Yeah, and Ron was like really you're bragging to me about all the money you're making us a lot like, you know I'm pressed by that Yeah, you should be keeping that hidden, you know, that's the skin that we don't want to know about that's disgusting But you know, they don't think of it as bad I guess I don't know but it's a big part of the problem and and really which is why You know, I'm in some ways.
I mean, I want to be optimistic, but it could be that I'll take a revolution You know or a financial collapse which could happen such severe hyperinflation that people finally wake up and Get rid of the government that they have or succeed, you know, Tenth Amendment movement secession movements may become very practical because You know, I have to say, you know, we the average people who had no voice You through their Congress in all these commitments that Congress has made to spend money.
Why should we pay their debt?you know this idea that there's there's actually something negative in the idea of Dividing up the debt and saying I owe $48,000 or each family unit owes two hundred and eighty thousand dollars, whatever the current number is, right?
You've seen those Yeah, those those forecast or these the justice How much the national the fourteen point three trillion dollar debt would be if it was divided amongst all Americans I say why divide it amongst all Americans.
Let's lay it on the guys that got it.
You know, let's go to the Congress Let's go to these welfare recipients Corporate people whatever I'm not saying tax the rich I'm saying tax I'm saying make the ones who accumulated this thing, you know, because it is not fair to say Oh, we have a democracy only when they want to say we have a democracy because most people If they got a chance to vote on some of this stuff, you know Would say it doesn't make sense and certainly people are are telling Congress now They should cut and what do they do the most drastic cut that they have is peanut?
Who's the house guy the Republican guy?
That's the head of the John Kyle?
Yeah Yeah, whatever the guy's name is he's working the the budget thing I mean he comes up with some plan and it cut it cut like 1% My god, that's insane.
That's not what the people are saying.
The people are saying cut it You know, we're ready to take the hard knocks People is there a whole bunch of people here wouldn't mind more taxes.
I'm not one of them You know, I could give them nothing but you know, there are people that are saying we understand We have to have some pain, but where's Congress thing?
We understand we have to Congress is not saying they understand we should have pain Well in the last thing they're ever gonna cut is the Empire I mean, they'll they'll destroy all of any entitlement programs or domestic, you know federal subsidies for Highways or whatever it is before they get rid of the bases.
That's right And you know what we have that's a I mean, I think that's a vulnerable point I think Americans are ready to shrink the Empire voluntarily and that's something we really need to hit all the congressmen on hard To really hit, you know, cut the defense and of course, you know people have this warped idea that defense spending actually makes us safer They don't understand it.
It doesn't nothing to do with that.
It just is not that's not even what it's for I mean, that's you know, it's not it's not constitutional defense if the founders imagined it would be It should be, you know drastically cut but and and people I think are demanding that but Congress is unlikely Yeah, I mean so we may need you know, we may need a either a terrible collapse or revolution I'd like to think that we could have a transition much more You know deliberate rapid but deliberate and and you know peaceful that would be a good thing But well, I'm not that sunny, but I'll pass on something nice that Hornberger pointed out yesterday Because I was waxing all doom and gloom and he was saying, you know right now it's perfectly legit and mainstream to at least Argue and have the anti drug war position in America and that it was not like that 10 or 15 years ago at all But now no reasonable people say hey, come on man black markets aren't the way to have drugs distributed This isn't working and and people are finally starting to get it's okay to talk that way now It seems like you know, it is possible to change ideas over the long run I guess you know the policy and worst ones are always going to lag far behind that but at least if we can get the People on our side, that'd be a good start.
Yeah.
Oh, that's true And and you know the people eventually in any place are always gonna end up ruling And then the structures that they decide to put in place may devolve and I think that's what has happened in our country Certainly and and we're going to get a power of you know Ultimately we control ourselves and therefore we do control Our government we have you know that ultimately we are the ones where there's way more of us than there is of them And so if the people are educated if the people can converse if the people can think through some of these things You know, we'll we will be okay And also the other thing we could that nobody talked about was ending the Fed or even auditing the Fed and they're doing that now And that's that's not very much fought by the big cities and the government centers But amongst the people that's huge because I don't think 15 years ago anybody knew what the Fed was, right?
Well, they do remember they remember that guy the inflation guy Well, they remember the guy before Greenspan Remember under Reagan big heavyset guy.
Well, there was Paul Volcker, but he was the deflation guy I know but Volcker did get some attention in the media Yeah, I think people maybe knew what the Fed was, but they certainly didn't question it, you know, and now People are you know understanding the history of a lot of this stuff and um, you know, so it's all you Yeah, the information internet helped you guys have helped Of course I mean the work you're doing is just huge and and Ron Paul and all the people that love Ron Paul and and have learned From him, you know, this is yeah, lots of good things But um, yeah, I don't know I get that you have to tell you I get in a bad mood every time I have to go into DC and I'm sorry Today we're out of time.
We have to leave it there, but thanks so much for your time It's Karen Katowski everybody Lou Rockwell calm Karen K for Congress calm.
Thanks again.
Okay.
Thanks guys
