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You are the best at reading headlines with with expression That's one of your, that's one of your many many skills, but it's a talent.
It's a definite talent You do it with a lot of people.
Oh, there you go.
Oh, do I?
Yeah, I guess I try, you know Hey, great article, but let's not talk about it yet.
Let's instead talk about What you wrote about previously, which sounds, you know, it's a little bit arcane, but it's so important about Who's adopting what definition of anti-semitism and the effect that that has on Debates over Israel and Palestine on American college campuses and there's been a major development in that story So I won't be any more specific from that.
You go ahead and explain.
Yeah Was it was it last week or the week before I lose track?
I did an article a follow-up to what I had been doing about this Well in the American context the pending before Congress America sorry anti-semitic anti-semitism Awareness Act, which is in the committees of the House and Senate which would direct the Department of Education Office of Civil Rights there to adopt more or less a what's now being regarded as the official definition plus description of Anti-semitism that was embraced by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance which the u.s.
Is a member of but and that and which originally originated in the American with the American Jewish Committee, they they in the Biesenthal Center pushed Various groups to adopt this and it was also the matter of controversy in Great Britain with the Labour Party because when they did a When their executive committee got into this issue of what what constitutes anti-semitism They didn't go all the way.
They didn't adopt all these Alleged examples of anti-semitism in that quote official definition when I say official, you know, just remember the quotation marks around it and then they Got accused of being Anti-semitic and core Jeremy Corbyn is the head of the party and possible future of Prime Minister Has been smeared as an anti-semite and they back down and now they've embraced the entire thing.
So I Warned in the last article I did about this about and I'm not I'm not the first to do this I was one of the last to warn about Kenneth Marcus who was confirmed in June as Trump's assistant Secretary of Education For for civil rights, which means he runs the Office of Civil Rights now He has a history in the private sector.
He had he set up and ran a An independent nonprofit organization called the brand Brandeis Center for human rights and law Identifying conflating as I say Anti-semitism with criticism of Israel what he calls anti-israelism.
He says there's no difference really between anti-semitism and anti Israelism or we might call anti-zionism so He he now is the head of that office who would be the one Enforcing on college camp on the colleges and universities this Definition.
I guess what none of us were actually foresaw is that he doesn't need the law to pass He's now proclaimed that this is he's going to operate on the base of basis of this definition and examples And and he doesn't need the bill doesn't have to come out of committee and pass the two Congresses as long as he's running the office now It's true that if a new president is elected 2020 and someone else is put in charge of that office He wouldn't have to that new secretary wouldn't have to be using the definition, but for the time being certainly until the end of 2020 That is the reigning Definition plus examples.
So what he did and how did he do this?
He announced this without Putting it out for public comment or anything of that sort just announced this that he's reviving a 2011 case from Rutgers University which didn't get anywhere, but the Complaint was made to the Office of Civil Rights because 2011 means Obama years Was made to a complaint was made to the Office of Civil Rights that that Jewish students or Jewish students Were discriminated against at an event held on the campus by an actually by an outside group nevertheless, they rented rented facilities on the campus for a Event Ironically enough was called never again for anybody.
It included Palestinians and Holocaust survivors.
In other words, it was a joint.
It seems to be a nice conciliatory event talking about the dangers Can that can be for any any people and as it did to the Jews in Europe and then especially under the Nazis?
And then as it has to the Palestinians.
So it was an ecumenical meeting, but it was descended upon by a large group of pro-israel students and I think non students because the word had gone out according to all the reporting a Local synagogue in Rutgers at near Rutgers put out the word to you know Organizations that it that it's linked to involved in saying descend on this meeting And there were reports from people's on the side of the organization that was putting this on that, you know, there was a hostility and even intimidation by students and one one of the emails that that somehow the Zionist organization got a Hold of made a reference to 150 Zion pro-zionist Students and so that was seized on by The ZOA To say see this.
That's a code word for Jewish so that by by the definition under these IHRA definition Which has been embraced by the State Department even under Obama that constitutes anti-semitism and therefore a hostile atmosphere to the Jewish students of Rutgers and therefore actionable by the Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Education Under the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that's how it all connects legally.
So There was an investigation again back in 2011 and and and beyond and he got it.
They couldn't find any evidence There was a specific charge that only Jewish students were charged admittance fees to this meeting There was apparently no evidence for that.
There was no finding both by Rutgers and by the OCR and they In other words, they just dismissed it For not for lack of evidence Burdens obviously on this the burden of proof is on the side of the one making the allegation and they didn't sustain the burden the ZOA wanted to appeal it but that Kind of died Marcus now has revived it.
He's saying okay.
I'll hear the appeal and he of course is on the record for a lot many years now and of claiming that any anti-zionism is anti-semitism and he even Said in this in his letter to the ZOA announcing what he was doing.
He said we need to determine whether that in that email the word Zionist students was code word for Jewish students so one thing that immediately struck me as conservatives and I you know to the extent the conservatives support this sort of thing and of course Mainline conservatives do it seems to me I'll talk about the alt-right, but certainly sort of regular conservatives and Trump fans of a lot of Trump fans They used to hate the Department of Education and the Office of Civil Rights and thought the idea of a thought police Now they've embraced all three in this context only though because they like that.
There's the DOE now they like that.
There's an OCR with Marcus at the head of it and He's going to he's going to somehow divine whether when somebody says Zionist he means Jew.
How's he gonna do that?he's gonna have a say on a seance or some sort of, you know, spiritual or mind reading session or put them up on a Some machine lie detector to figure out what is it?
They quote mean when they say that That sounds like thought police and how is that not?squelching freedom of speech and free inquiry on campuses, which many many civil libertarians Have been warning about including by the way The author of this definition and plus examples Kenneth Stern and other Kenneth Kenneth Stern not to be confused with Kenneth Marcus Has warned and told Congress don't pass this because it will chill free speech And I that's not what I meant when I came up with this this, you know notion of anti-semitism It wasn't meant for the purpose of policing free speech on campuses or or anywhere So lots of Heavy-hitting people have warned that this should not be used and should not be put into law and they're appalled that Marcus is Doing this but he's doing it and victibly, you know, there's nothing surprising It should have been predictable that he would take it on his own initiative rather than wait for the law to be passed Well, I like the part about well, it's the State Department definition Which is just like Dick Cheney going on meet the press and citing a Judy Miller's story that he put in the New York Times And saying see even the New York Times says You know laundering this this bias through some other institution for a minute, but you know to lend us some credibility there But so let me make sure I understand the story here with the the Rutgers case Basically was dismissed but I guess do I have it right?
Maybe I don't have it right that The jurisdiction here.
It doesn't really apply if there was an anti-religious bias.
They have to redefine Judaism as an ethnicity so that they can investigate it as a basis of Like a racism charge under the civil rights policy Explain this in the original article.
I wrote on this for a few weeks ago.
People can look it up I explain what's going on there.
If you look at title six of the That's the relevant title of this 64 act It doesn't mention religion it talks about discrimination on the basis of race, you know ethnic national origin or ethnicity I think that's it.
So there's no reference to religion So what the what the DOE under Obama did and this goes back to Obama what the Department of Education?
Originally did was put out a letter What's called a dear colleague letter to?state and local education agencies departments of local government state governments and Said we are In effect, there's my words now.
We're reinterpreting title six because in some cases that look like religious discrimination the Discrimination may be and they always talked and they always do maybes could be may be Really a reference to the person the targets, you know, the the victims Ethnicity or national origin or race so in that way they got in They could get anti-semitism into it they also named six Sikhs and and Muslims they say they also So in other words anti Muslim activity that would also be interpreted as okay, that's anti Arab or you know Anti say it could be anti Persian I guess so so it was a way to break out of the this sort of Confinement since it didn't mention religion they found a way to bring religion in like oh well the often the practitioner of these religions have something in common by race or and or you know ancestry or Or ethnicity national origin.
So therefore yeah, it comes under title six a bit of a stretch.
But yeah, well, of course I Don't know anyway, I mean the whole thing is so obviously bogus.
It seemed I guess the Question is can anybody try to stop them?
I mean if they were doing this about okay.
Well, you can't criticize Chinese Relations with Mongolia.
Otherwise, you're a racist and you hate Chinese people or some kind of thing like that Would we have patience for that and we would say oh, okay, you're right I guess we can't criticize the Han for dominating the Tibetans anymore either because now that you know Maybe that's a better example since that's what people care about, you know Kenneth Stern the the lead author of this this Definition plus examples and I'm going to call it just a definition because they distinguish the definition which is like 38 words and really is meaningless from a bunch of specific definitions 7 of 11 referred to Israel not about Discriminating against or hating Jews quad Jews, but just you know saying something negative about the state of Israel That's what's gotten, you know so much of our side of things my side of things certainly upset So Stern says imagine if someone opposes Palestinian Self-determination with plenty of pro-israel people do then doesn't that make them an anti-palestinian ism?
And so why isn't that racism and why isn't that condemned on campus and now what wasn't Marcus going after?
Anybody that wants to put down?
Voices and this is this has been happening for years Marcus is one of the people involved in this and happening in San Francisco State University and lots of other places Why isn't that racist if you're trying to squelch you go after people who are defending the right of the Palestinians the self-determination if to oppose Jewish Self-determination is anti-semitic then there's something racist or even anti-semitic about opposing Palestinian self-determination Of course that makes a lot more sense actually not in favor of any censorship But you know of course Zionism is based on racism against Palestinians because it's all about justifying Depriving them of their rights, so you know who's got the power who's occupying who here?
You don't you wouldn't have to be anti-semitic at all anti-jewish at all to say that they should stop violating other people's rights the Israelis Should stop violating other people's rights, but to justify violating the Palestinians rights Yeah, racism is a huge component in that you know another part of it Of course is how they always talk about the Palestinians as though they're all Muslims because they don't want to talk about the fifth of them that are Christians, and how You know because that's the kind of thing that Americans actually might you know peak their curiosity that you know Oh, I didn't realize that there were people who believe the same as me that are on the side of You know who are oppressed along with the Muslims rather than being on the side of the Jewish majority state there.
That's right yeah, that's funny because when you know this idea of denying or saying that the Jews don't have the right of self-determination That's regarded as a you know that much, but it's gonna sound like Jeff Foxworthy now This isn't the point I was gonna bring up The position is if you if you take that position That the Jews don't have the right of self-determination you may be not a redneck, but a anti-semite That's one of their chief examples right denying that Jews have a right to self-determination But as I've said in a couple different places I Don't know anybody.
I'm not talking about some fringe.
You know David Duke or something I don't know anybody who says Jews don't have the right of self-determination What they say is and that's only half of the sentence They don't have the right of self-determination on other people's land on stolen land Let's say that and talk about it instead.
It's just left that they don't have the right to self-determination Look of a group of Jewish people Observant or not they can call themselves whatever they want if they buy land anywhere in the world legitimately and don't you know kick off the rightful owners and And set up you know in effect the kibbutz or a country club or whatever they want to call it and say we're a state and We're all Jewish.
So it's a Jewish state fine.
They can do that.
That's self-determination.
I They shouldn't be stopped.
I don't mean I'm gonna move there, but they shouldn't be stopped The objection is to kicking up Palestinians off their land and it can be easily demonstrated that that it was it was the land of individual Palestinians and towns and villages They kicked them off and then said this is our nation where we now have self-determination That's the objection but people always like leave off the the second part of it And then they say see it must if you're denying that Jews have a right of self-determination.
You must be an anti-semite Yeah, well And I guess Part of you know, the irony of the whole thing right is the more transparent This is the more necessary it is and we can't just have people going around explaining the Palestinian side of the story here We've got to clamp down on that Because it does not favor Israel at all to even describe the basic facts of who's occupying who over there They constantly pretend like Palestine is already an independent state That's constantly at war with Israel and victimizing Israel and trying to extort land away from Israel you know the whole thing is Completely upside down and once people get a grip on who's occupying what then they change their mind pretty quickly about I've certain that's certainly my experience Well, right because most people don't know the story Well, but what you just said is not controversial among Historians and others who look carefully into this and I don't just mean partisans, you know, sort of the critics of Israel In the in the late 80s when the government Documents archives were finally opened up after a certain number of years about 1948 the War of Independence and and all that stuff and the violence beforehand by the Irgun and you know pre-israel Zionist militias Jewish Israeli historians across the spectrum Went into the documents and wrote books the books poured out in the late 80s and beyond still coming out Pointing out that it's not controversial.
There was ethnic cleansing Benny Morris probably, you know, perhaps the most Prominent is pro-israel thinks it was the right thing to do without the ethnic cleansing.
He says Israel couldn't have been established just in just and he says that would have been you know And that's that would have been too bad and he compares it to the u.s you know wiping out the Indians because he says there wouldn't have been America if the Indians hadn't been wiped out and of course we All realize it's good that America was founded.
So he draws a parallel there The only debate that he's still fighting and I and lots of people have shown have shown he hasn't made his case is whether you know How premeditated the ethnic cleansing was or whether it all just came up as a as a wartime contingency But he's not sustained his case that's been critiqued by Norman Finkelstein and and Ilan papay and many other people to show there was a plan.
It was known as plan dollar plan D About you know, this was in the plan, but even even Morris who wants to deny that Premeditated says the following in his book.
I believe it's called righteous victims that Dispossession and displacement of the Palestinians was inherent in Zionism inevitable and inherent in Zionism In other words, if you're going to have a Jewish state, you got to have a Jewish majority and preferably a supermajority Unless it's unless it's totally anonymous old Jewish and and they couldn't do that in Palestine the way it was populated in 1948 4748 there were the Arabs a Christian like you say Christians and Muslims Arabs outnumbered Jews from no matter where and and and therefore if you're gonna have quote a Jewish state, whatever that means exactly But if you're gonna have a Jewish state, you can't the Jews can't be a minority in that state This was the thinking of the of the people trying to build the State of Israel.
So they said we have to get rid of them We have to get rid of them This said from this was said by them from the beginning by Herzl They used the word transfer the nicer word transfer and Herzl It's a quote that's been quoted many many times totally famous about how we have to spirit the penniless population Across the border, you know deposit them across the border He says something like help them secure employment, but deny them employment here Meaning in Palestine in which is now going to be run by the Jews Everybody knows that was the idea They couldn't you couldn't have had it.
Otherwise They tried to Jerry the UN tried to gerrymander it to get a slight majority of Jews in the you know In the part of the part the Jewish part of the partition it was going to recommend But it was very it was very unstable and ended up with two states that were very odd Shapes and you know not viable and it was a mess.
It was a mess and the Zionists accepted it knowing Oh, we don't worry.
We won't have to live with this We'll have we'll cease the rest of it in our own good time.
Yeah, pretty much have done Hey, by the way, everybody's got to read obstacle to peace the u.s Role in the Israel-Palestinian conflict or Israel-Palestine conflict by Jeremy Hammond.
It's great I'm almost done with it.
And then I imagine that's gonna be like a two or three hour interview or something It's just the most meticulous thing in the world.
Have you read that?
I don't think You know confuse it with a couple of those other titles.
Is this the latest of his books?
No, I don't think so.
I think it's a few years old two or three or four years old or something One that's got it's got the most severe rundown of cast-lead in 2008-9 and the Mavi Mara attack and all that indefatigable Researcher on this subject his stuff is great.
The only thing is written people can find other things of his he's got a little Institute It was called Foreign Policy Institute or something for a very good piece on the myth of the UN creation of Israel Which is completely misunderstood by people, right?
The UN has no power under its laws to create a nation or to divide, you know divide a country So all that the General Assembly did in 47 was recommend that the Generalists that the Security Council You know look at this idea, I mean, that's all it could do and it passed Both Russia and the United States voted for it, but it didn't create Israel Israel created Israel Because about you know, buddy less than a year later seven six seven months later Ben Gurion declared independence they said we're We are now a state so the UN didn't create it.
It's not has not been created under international law He has a great treatment in this one in obstacle to peace He talks about when the UN eventually recognized the state of Israel and all the politics behind that too is in there It's great.
I learned so much already Story and he he's got it.
He's got it down.
Yeah, he does very good work and Yeah, I like his stuff So here's the thing.
I don't want to make too much of this but uh, it seems like you might I don't know What your opinion is or how seriously you take this kind of deal cuz you know people say lots of things But there's this quote from Netanyahu saying that the weak are slaughtered and the strong prevail and all of this stuff and it sounds to me, you know pretty fascist and Contrary to the whole post enlightenment era of the idea of the inalienable rights of man and that kind of crazy crap but Well, so what do you think?
Well, and it's not the first time I saw an earlier quote where he says something very similar This was tied in by I've been watching lectures by a very good interesting person by the name of Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in New York.
He's in Queens I think or maybe Long Island.
I'm not sure And he's been speaking.
He's got a new book out like a three-volume book called the empty wagon about how About how Zionism hijacked Judaism.
He's an ultra Orthodox Jew Now so I don't agree with them on theology and Religion, but isn't he's extremely sharp.
He's not a young guy.
He's maybe about 50 He's not like a sort of real old rabbis.
You might think of when you think of ultra Orthodox, you know long beard and all that Now his dress is more modern and he's very culturally tuned in when he talks.
He's got lots of you know, just Very current cultural references, he's not he doesn't live in isolation or anything like that He's a really cool guy and he's got his analysis is impeccable about how the Zionists Did not like see this is a point I've made before many have made it before You know the term self-hating Jew gets thrown around Normally at some, you know Jewish person or a person who might have had a Jewish upbringing but may not consider himself Jewish Who criticizes Israel they can't you don't want to call him an anti-semite right the pro-israel pretty hard to do that to a rabbi though Right, well, you call him a self-hating Jew Well, it is but he what he points out and again others have done this and you can and he's got the quotes from Herzl and Jabotinsky and Ben-Gurion and a lot of other, you know top-ranking People who were pushing the formation of the state They they are the original self-hating Jews, they did not like The Eastern religious Jews, you know the people who were just emerging in the late 19th century from from ghetto because there was a You know, there was a process of emancipation After Napoleon or with Napoleon and then beyond so these self-contained self-governing Ghettos which had had some autonomy from the czar or from you know, the central government were coming into the modern world And and they the the Zionists who were more by and large atheists and totally assimilated Didn't practice Judaism They did not like, you know, quote, you know the sort of the old Jew and they also didn't like They didn't like the rest of the like the German Jews the ones who had integrated themselves into society because they saw them as Subservient and weak they didn't fight because they wanted to get along with their societies and they didn't you know They didn't press things that they were doing what they thought God told them to do namely you live at peace in your in whatever Society you're in Herschel and his guys were promising to create a new Jew and I don't exaggerate you can look this up You can go you can watch the lectures by Shapiro or you can just find the quotations from Herschel you can find his diary online read the stuff They needed to create a new Jew because the old Jew they thought was disgusting and they use terms like that revolting repulsive they even say things like The the anti-semites are right to hate them.
Look at them.
They're diseased.
They're unhealthy They're passive because the the the Orthodox Chris when they were when they were Orthodox there was only Orthodox in in Eastern Europe and for you know further east they Weren't interested in the outer society they believed their duty was to read the holy books right and study The Torah and the Talmud and the oral law and that's what they spent their time doing my grandfather who was Some strain of Orthodox are actually several strains my Lithuanian paternal grandfather That's what he spent most of his time doing reading the comment Commentaries the great rabbis of the Middle Ages who were interpreting the oral law who were interpreting the you know, the written law That's what they spent their time doing they thought that was what the God wanted them to do Herschel and the secular Zionists sneered at that and said and said, okay We need to break free of this and they that's why they wanted to set up a new a new state a new country We're gonna be like regular people.
We're gonna farm.
We're gonna be strong.
So that comes out of that because you know Jabotinsky is one of these and the Likud party is inspired by chapter Jabotinsky Revisionists there were known as and the Netanyahu's were inspired by Jabotinsky his father and now the son BB so that comes out of that.
That's right.
We have to show we're strong and you know he pointed out Shapiro pointed out a couple years ago when the UN had passed a resolution against the Settlements in the West Bank and there was Jewish criticism of Israel in connection with this for the settlements you know the sort of liberal Jews and Non-zionist Jews who don't who say the the settlements are destructive in violations of international law Netanyahu who was prime minister at the time said something like That's the diaspora the diaspora mentality enough of the diaspora mentality bowing and scraping You know to the societies you live in we're strong.
We're healthy.
No, he didn't defend the settlements He didn't say we need them or they don't violate international law or who cares if they're right?
He said nothing like that.
He said his only answer was we are a strong people We are a healthy nation enough of this diaspora mentality.
So this is not new for him and you're right There's something extremely unattractive about it Yeah, well, hey, it's tribalism.
I think we may have talked before about this Mike Wallace interview I saw years ago with Rabbi Kahane who you know, he was the first al-qaeda attack in America was Egyptian Islamic Jihad assassinated him in New York City in 1990 and But his party had been banned by the Supreme Court of Israel for being fascists and they wanted to just finish the knock button and kick the rest of the Palestinians out of the West Bank entirely I guess and This kind of thing but so Mike Wallace interviewed him and he specifically said listen You believe in Thomas Jefferson and all this stuff about the unalienable rights, man.
I don't believe in that I only believe in my tribe and it's okay to murder anybody in our way and we win and you lose and that's it I'm paraphrasing roughly but not very and and that was it and he was just saying we have a fundamental disagreement here See, I don't believe in the Declaration of Independence you do so shrug Yeah Which is kind of a pretty big point, you know when in fact the whole propaganda here is that Israel is like an American fort out on our eastern frontier somehow You know spreading Western Enlightenment policy in this and that when really yeah, it's not so much that way Well Kahani was at least you can say this in his on his behalf He was refreshingly honest instead of trying to couch it, right?
You know sort of American terms traditional American terms and then confusing people saying I don't quite see the connection Yeah, and I don't think his party would be banned these days, I don't know why it would his attitude well, right well, I think some of those some of those types of Zionists Are probably are probably in the party, you know, as we know the Likud is not the rightmost party anymore It might have been at one time But it's we have every big door Lieberman and others that go beyond that and we have you know We have the Minister of Justice What's the name shock head saying things like we've got to kill the Palestinian mothers because they give birth to snakes You know stuff like that.
I mean, what do you that's sounds like the spirit of Kahani if I ever heard it Yeah, and that's their attorney general their justice minister She says that in public.
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But I mean a safe haven He said things would have been extremely different because there was a long history of Jews and Muslims Arabs and and Persians Iranians living You know reasonable peacefully nothing's ever perfect.
I don't say it was a paradise but there weren't pogroms Or anything of that nature Certainly certainly wasn't a Holocaust and he's so Gandhi is telling him, you know Things would have been so different if you had taken that path Instead the Zionist movement said hey, this is we're coming to reclaim our land from 2,000 years ago So get out now and that's not the way you win friends and influence people to use Dale Carnegie's old book title But they they didn't want to just live they didn't want to just coexist I mean the people that actually wanted to organize a state and this is where Rabbi Shapiro's analysis is So good because he says that's because they didn't want it wasn't the whole idea was not a safe haven for the displaced Jews or the oppressed Jews that wasn't the point that would have been a rather modest ambition What they wanted to do was change Jewishness totally by create turning it into a political ideology and a nationalism and a statehood a State a nation-state and he and Shapiro says that's not Judaism.
That was a revolt against Judaism.
I Think his analysis is very good.
I mean his he's of this group called true Torah Jews you can look them up a website and they have lots of YouTube lectures His analysis is you know Guess you know, that's sort of interesting to me, but it's also kind of none of my business You know what?
I mean, I rather I I look at it more about You know, that's like somebody else's inside baseball game Whereas why it's not I'll tell you what's not look most of the attention To Israel's conduct from the start has been on, you know, and it's certainly I'm not saying it got too much attention It didn't on the on the the internal victims, right the victims within Palestine namely the Arab Muslims and Christians but this were any and he's sympathetic to them, of course But he's rounding out the analysis by showing there are other victims to know They're not in the same way victims getting kicked off land or killed or you know stuff like that but there's still victims of this whole movement because Number one.
He says it was identity theft, right?
They stole their religion and he makes it interesting point there But he says it also and this was warned from the very beginning it warned of it jeopardizes Jews Who live in other countries and who regard themselves?
Happily proudly even as citizens of America or Britain or Canada where Australia wherever they live even, you know, Germany There's a lots of Jews have moved from Israel to Berlin in recent years And he says they're jeopardized too because here you got Netanyahu Saying especially in light of this nation-state law that the past recently I am the prime minister not just of the citizens not even just the Jewish citizens of Israel But all Jews everywhere No matter when they were where they were born whether they ever have been to Israel or they have an intention of going to Israel All they need to be is that they have a Jewish mother or they've been converted by an approved rabbi I am your prime minister and he and he says look I can't escape that He said if I don't want Trump to be my president I can move to Canada Or I can move, you know to anywhere else and then become a citizen of that country Trump's no longer my president I can't escape Netanyahu And I think that I don't think that's just inside baseball or someone else's fight that just shows you the well It's highly absurd though, right that Jews are all connected through time and space and to somehow being what represented I mean, what does that even mean?
Right?
It's it's not like he has judicial power over Jews in other countries But look what look what Netanyahu doesn't even mean it's just a bunch of sloganeering and propaganda means really right Look what Netanyahu and his lieutenants do then they've done this over the last couple years They've gone into countries like France and even the United States and said to Jews.
You're not safe You know any any incident which getting me interpreted as an anti-semitic incident they seize on Yeah, even if even if it's purely complaint against Israel not Jews They'll say see you're not safe.
That's why Israel is here come to Israel a Leah, right?
They bring young people on these birthright trips Americans for free young Americans for free of course a lot of them were Upset that they don't get told the whole story and they break away and go go to the West Bank and told don't go to West Bank you'll be killed and raped.
Of course, they're not killed and raped They actually learned but that so it's it doesn't leave American Jews untouched.
I don't think it is just inside baseball No, you're right, but I guess Well, but back to the point of You know this Netanyahu's Rant about the strong survive and all of that it seems like the strong div deeper graves for themselves is really more like it and and so that Right, like okay So if I didn't care at all about the Palestinians or any of this stuff and I was just trying to Like I just got here.
I'm Kang and Kodos in outer space looking down or whatever It seems like the Israelis have a policy that is very short term in nature where they've created this Apartheid system that you know, even in the words of a hood Barack the former prime minister who made it this way Who helped and also he was a defense minister under Netanyahu and in Netanyahu's first government Well, no his his first government this time around.
I mean he was prime minister before But anyway a who Barack has said boy, you know if we really solidify this whole Apartheid system thing and that means that the clock is ticking on our sorry asses because we can't do that under the if we just Ignore as so many people do if we just ignore the occupation and just set that aside Then they have a 80-20 super duper majority Jewish population inside Israel over the 20% Palestinian Christians and Arabs and so That is you know, not that it's based on justice or anything like that the way it got that way But that much is at least sustainable but permanently occupying an equal number of completely rights lists Palestinian helots in the Territories, it's just it's untenable You know It may last another decade or more as far as I know, but it's not gonna last the century Well and a lot of people in the power structure of Israel in 67 like including Ben-Gurion who was retired by this point Saw that problem and was saying we can't we can't keep The territories for that very reason, you know, maybe someday they thought they'd hope to maybe take them back under different circumstances But he realized that if you if you acquire a territory that includes so many Palestinians Arabs that you're gonna face this issue and Others others warned even inside the cabinet warned that It's not sustainable just as you say, but the the others And a lot of people just thought for that reason it won't last Israel will take up.
What is it?
UN Resolution 242 and and talk land for peace But it didn't happen because we're now in what 51 years and No sign of an ending in fact if all the signs didn't go the other way, but there's no intention of giving up Any any territory to the Palestinians or returning and I should say returning territory.
Yeah Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen.
I mean, I don't envision I don't I can't see the future at all because I every alternative seems impossible.
So I do not know it's Some point I I mean there's gonna come a crisis where people are gonna wish they'd listen to Uri Avnery all along and that's the whole thing about it right is it's not like they were just warned by You know American libertarian writers or something like that Which they were Rothbard was people want to read about the 67 war read Rothbard from 1967 on it, you know But it's not just that it's that they had people like Uri Avnery who was right there you know was an equal peer with all of the most famous names of Israeli politics since 1948 this entire time and Called him by their first name and told us stuff to them right to their face and made them admit that he was right and then they ignored him anyway, and I mean it's all there in those archives to he tells all those stories and You know, I think yeah, it's a he was he's not living.
I was gonna say he's a great living example He very recently was a living example of how it just didn't have to be this way But they're certainly on the road to self-destruction now one way or another There were many many warnings, you know from the inside so to speak plenty of plenty of people who said this This is not gonna work.
I mean you can go back and read the criticisms were the warnings of Rabbi Elmer Berger Who was one of the founders of the American Council for Judaism in 1942 warning about this?about him Biography of him and the whole Jewish entities American Jewish anti-zionist movement called the rabbi outcast for right work And there was a whole author that's name.
I'm sorry.
I should mention him because I was Jack Ross's book.
That's right.
That's right Sorry, Jack.
I'm gonna get to it someday, man If you're out there, and he's not the only you know burger wasn't the only one I knew But I knew Berger died in the late 90s Knew him Alfred Lillienthal was another one who was involved in the council for a while Then his own his own newsletter for memory many years These were American Jews who number one had the same concerns that I just attributed to rabbi Shapiro They said wait a second.
We're Americans Don't tell me this state you guys want to set up is Is my nation state so they object they would have objected to Israel even if Palestine really was had been a land without a people You know, it's not only that they took other people's land That's obviously very serious and that was one that was one of the major complaints and one of the major cases against it But it was not the only one for the for American reform Jews and Orthodox Jews if it had truly been vacant if it had been a another planet where there was not another person and And and Herzl said we're gonna set up the state of the for the Jewish people of the Jewish people on this totally vacant Planet they would have objected saying no Judaism is not a political move But it's a religious community made up of many nationals different kinds of nationals ethnicities races There's black Jews.
There's Chinese Jews.
There's Indian Jews It's not a single entity of any kind except religious community.
That's the only thing they have in common and so they would object it even if there had been no, you know land victims or Victims in the sense of the Palestinians or have been victims and I think that's interesting to keep in mind missus and it's two parts of the you know, it's a two-part story and then the American Reform and and Orthodox, but the Reform were very Sophisticated in presenting their their case.
They didn't get listened to they got smeared got smeared by the What we're known as pretty much the conservative Jewish movement in the United States, which was which was pro-zionist, especially after World War two and Because then it could see after World War two it could then be portrayed as a humanitarian refugee Project right that you have the displaced Jews of Europe who need a place to go so For a lot of people who were ambivalent about it, or maybe didn't like it before the war Now they could say well, okay.
Yeah, come on you have all these displaced people we better be for it So they a lot of people went over to the Zionist side who had been anti-zionist or not or non-zionist Because it took on the the cover of a purely like rescue effort, but it was not intended to be a rescue effort All Jews were supposed to move whether they were living Fine and peacefully in the United States or whether they were, you know And you know the life was like a fiddler on the roof to To use a no a well-known phrase It didn't matter for the Zionist that was going to be where that was going to be the Jewish state not in the sense It was going to be a religious state, but it was going to be the place where the Jews were And that's what they wanted to do now They were willing to have some stay behind because to raise money and stuff like that and be their advocates So they were willing to do that And be their advocates So, you know, they weren't demanding a hundred percent attendance But that was supposed to be you know, the state if you were Jewish that was your state and that's what raised the whole dual loyalty problem, which many Jews, uh Suffered under because they were viewed with suspicion And and which makes rabbi shapiro's case that zionism breeds anti-semitism And I think he makes a very strong case for that it does And as israel is seen to be creating more and more problems which implicate the united states I fear as he does that That will be taken out on You know jews indiscriminately, which would be a terrible thing by the the perpetrators.
I mean they they should know that Jewish doesn't mean pro-israel Because there are plenty of jews who don't like israel or what it's up to but That wouldn't relieve Responsibility of everyone who Teach tries to teach everybody else that No, it is the state of the jewish people all jewish people and that there's no distinction between judaism and zionism Shapiro points out the following David duke has condemned rabbi.
Shapiro For saying that judaism is not zionism that they're different that they're not only different they're opposites Uh, he's condemned them because he duke and his his people have a stake in saying they're the same That's very dangerous to to american jews to french jews, you know, british jews jews everywhere everywhere outside of israel and and israel too And and this makes uh, rabbi.
Shapiro very concerned He's trying to tell the you know, just the average person There's a distinction here All right, you guys here's how to support the show first of all subscribe to the rss feeds itunes Stitcher and all of that.
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You know for them.
Um, yeah as wilkerson said on the show Did you hear that where did I did they publish that one yet?
Where wilkerson says that colin powell told george bush to his face You know The number three guy at the pentagon is a card carrying member of the lakoud party And bush said you mean really like if I took his wallet, he's got the card in there Ha ha Talk about douglas fight that is yeah no, this is this this uh, you know, uh We're going to mention shapiro again because I think it's very important.
This does present a danger to american jews and and and again jews outside of israel because there are you know, sort of crazy people out there who uh, Who won't make the distinction and and if uh any event that could be or any incident that could be interpreted as anti-semitic is then seized on by uh, When it may only be anti-israel and I don't mean attacking people there's obviously no excuse for that on any grounds but uh But israel and and it's it's partisans will seize on that and say see we were right all along Not realizing that or not.
They maybe do realize it but the other people won't realize that They're only right because they they helped us to fan those flames And then they when they fan the flames and the and the the fire flares up they then say see we told you Yeah, we told you it was a fire.
Well now so by the way Flames now under the new regime.
Would you just be banned from giving a talk like this on a college campus?
Uh, I don't know if it'd be banned If a student felt I was creating a hostile atmosphere He could make a complaint to the ocr the office of civil rights Even though really the gist of your entire thing is to discriminate and to make all of these distinctions and nuances And explain how these things are all not the same Well, don't forget they only say you may be an anti-semite just like fuck james Jeff foxbury says you may be a redneck But of course, we know what the subtext is you are a redneck and yes, you are an anti-semite Yeah, well, yeah, you're guilty and you have to prove yourself innocent, which you can't So, yeah exactly No, and so the the idea is to get people not to say it in the first place, right?in other words to to keep someone from saying what i'm saying on campus because oh my gosh that Complaint might be filed and then i'm going to be smeared and i'm maybe there's gonna be some disciplinary action so the idea is that to you know to It's a preemptive strike To stop it from happening not really to act afterwards.
You don't want to have to act afterwards Keep it from happening in the first place.
That's what to me.
It smacks of whining When you're not allowed to say this or that I mean, give me a break Even I mean, I know we call them kids, but they're really you know, they've graduated from high school They're over 18.
They ought to be able to take it whatever it is.
This comes from the right As we know david horowitz.
Yeah, exactly.
They need a safe space for their little crybaby social justice thing on behalf of israel They're the ones who sneer at the at the snowflakes right when it's uh, when it's people on the on the left students on the left And they're the ones who uh, you know complain about the lack of free speech on campus when people on the left Are saying and what's hilarious is both sides will call each other out on their hypocrisy and double down on their own Rather than ever stopping and taking the other guy's side for a minute and saying you know what i'll defend your right Even though I disagree with you Which would be the classy thing to do the right hates political correctness, but the original political correctness Before that was even a term Was regarding israel, right?
You couldn't criticize israel I'm talking about talking about the you know, the late 40s in the in the 50s and beyond you because that's what you couldn't say in polite company why because You must be anti-semitic.
That was the original political correctness And I know it came from that side of the spectrum the bigger question is Why do any of these neocons hate and fear donald trump?
Did they really think that he was going to be anti-israel in any way because one time he mumbled something about some Fairness that was never going to be implemented in any way.
Give me a break I mean they panicked over him worse than they panicked over obama Yeah, I don't know if it had to do just with his uh his own, you know personal history they didn't uh Have confidence in him or what?
He was saying.
He was kind of rude to apac He said I don't need you and all this stuff at apac.
But come on That was that was before he went to their Their meeting right after hillary or before hillary and gave a speech that hillary could have given they could have switched their speeches by accident They would have noticed.
I mean there are pictures of him like marching in a big israel day parade down the street in new york with a big sash like the mayor of Uh springfield on the simpsons and a wand in his hand and stuff.
I don't know if he has a one He bragged about the he bragged about the award he got from the state of israel during the campaign So I think it had to do with other things.
Maybe they just didn't think he was reliable I mean they had other people running don't forget so and he's also horrible on iran He was like, let me tell you how horrible I am on iran.
I'm the worst.
That was his entire platform I don't know why that wasn't good enough for them.
I really can't understand.
Yeah, but i'm speculating here when when Trump first gets into it.
First of all, they probably thought he didn't really have a shot anyway And what do they need him for they had rubio?
That's true.
Yeah, they had hillary So why would you go with him?
Who's a little bit, you know, erratic and unpredictable I can understand why at first They wouldn't have been for him uh, you know when national review did that anti-trump, uh, uh, Edition, and it's really it's all about russia in this case or not all but yeah, but it wasn't just that you know richard lauer rich lowry who's I don't know because I don't know if he's still the editor was the editor at the time His essay in that and I think he was he wasn't the only one who said this His essay and that was on the immigration trump is too liberal Because he won't remember trump used to say and then this big beautiful wall There's going to be a big beautiful door where people can come in as he puts it legally.
He always has like l-e-e-e-e-g Legally legal They didn't want and rich lowry said what's this business about a door on the wall?
That's he's a liberal I'm, not kidding.
Go back and read that Well, I would doubt it.
Okay.
So now that that brings us actually that's a nice segue into today's article because we've really been talking About other things.
Oh, yeah, that's true Uh, well, so today's article is are we sure it can't happen here and it's about the demonization and uh persecution of american immigrants Well i've been reading And it took me too long to get to her work and I have a long way to go But i've been reading her hannah arent Who of course is famous for many books the origins of totalitarianism, which she wrote in published in 1951 And her book when she covered the eichmann trial in 62 63 I guess uh in jerusalem eichmann in jerusalem a report on the banality of evil which got into a lot of trouble Uh, but it's still an influential book that's discussed to this day and coin that phrase really that's like a cliche the banality of evil Some bureaucrat with a clipboard killing somebody Well, yeah, I mean that that's Well, actually I do get into that sort of thing in this piece.
Uh, right her point there was you know, she She believed she was under the influence of emmanuel khan when she wrote her origins of totalitarianism.
She thought evil was radical in the sense it was Profound it went down deep to the roots of things and that's what she when she went to jerusalem to To see for the first time a nazi sort of face to face because she got out of germany In 33 just as hitler is coming to power.
She gets to france then she's detained In france, she's in a detention Camp facility for a while before she gets to the u.s.
So she didn't live full blown under the nazis It was too soon.
She got out Well, so she wanted to go back.
She asked the new yorker send me send me to jerusalem.
I want to cover the trial So they sent her and uh, she wanted to see this face of evil, you know up front up close And she was shocked as she watched eichmann Testify, and she also read the 3500 pages of his police Questioning interrogation.
They've done long long interviews with him It were very revealing and she read, you know watched the testimony and read the testimony So she immersed herself in this and she said No evil Doesn't have deep roots certainly not in the at the level of eichmann It's it's banal he's just he just sees himself as following orders Doing what you do in this regime the the the fuhrer's word is law.
I'm a german.
I'm a good civil servant I also want to advance in my career.
I you know, I want to succeed in this society I then go ahead and do what i'm instructed to do And a lot of people said oh, well, how could you believe him?
He was lying, you know, he claimed he wasn't an anti-semite and she believed him.
She said when you read all the testimony He doesn't seem like an anti-semite is the question would have been very interesting.
He was asked during the during the uh, the his testimony, uh, if if uh, If hitler had told you to kill your father because he was a traitor Would you kill him and he kind of weaseled he said well if he showed me proof and the prosecutor said no No, i'm not saying he shows you proof.
He just says kill him.
He's a traitor He kind of I think he kind of ends up saying yeah, I would the question I think that should have been asked of eichmann wish and I don't believe it was I didn't see any reference to it is If hitler one day said hey people forget about the jews I got another problem there.
Leave the jews alone.
What would his attitude have been?
That's that's an interesting question because it would be if he had if he then said if he says oh, yeah Then I switched to the new program then iran is certainly right I mean he claimed he didn't hate jews He had a jewish mistress when he was in vienna arranging for the expulsion of jews from austria The first part of his of his career was getting the jews out of germany and austria This is official not not this was not subterranean.
This was official duties and his whole orientation was Transfer or what we call expulsion.
I mean they didn't have any choice in that matter but getting them out rather than killing them, which is certainly Better if that's the choice And he had read the jew the jewish state.
He had read herzl's book and according to uh, uh, iran became a lifelong zionist And and worked with the jewish leaders to facilitate the transfer, uh, so it's all very interesting stuff My point for the article is that the horror of nazi germany or or soviet russia because she's also talking about the soviet union She's talking about totalitarianism, which he said was new in the 20th century.
It was unlike previous despotisms and authoritarian systems It's totally new and it's a terror state and in order to dominate people and create a terror state.
You must dehumanize Everybody not just the targeted victims, but but even by implication Everybody else people are interchangeable Nobody really knows who could get taken off to to camps at any time because it's not really tied to a crime or political resistance I mean the the jews that were taken away hadn't done anything There were storekeepers and lawyers and doctors and then they were kicked out of the professions And and out of the universities they hadn't done anything Uh, and so I try to show that and i'm not predicting this for america But i'm also not ruling it out and it begins with dehumanization and what we see in trump's Uh policy and speeches and his harangues at rallies, which are very scary about refugees and about legal and illegal, uh immigrants in the united states Is dehumanization?
He doesn't ever talk as if they're persons Right, they're rapists.
I mean, yeah He'll once in a while like in the when he first launched his campaign He said some are good people, you know, that's like a throwaway some are good people and he never says anything like that Again, they're rapists and they're they're bringing drugs and all that stuff.
And then anytime there's a crime committed by say an illegal uh allegedly, uh, I don't know if these cases have been proven, but even though we know that uh Immigrants legal and illegal have are much less represented among the ranks of criminals Plenty of studies show that he he'll make it out to be no This is a existential threat to the united states that the they're they're they're criminals They're murdering our people and even the ones who haven't murdered anybody yet.
Well, they're just you know, waiting to murder That's the whole attitude.
He's dehumanizing and I wanted to tie that into Aaron's warning that dehumanization is kind of the first step to horrible things and uh To put this in my words.
These aren't her words if we want to make sure Uh that kind of horror and ultimately genocide can't occur we need to promote the virtues of individualism and pluralism in other words freedom because that's our insurance policy against these horrors that we saw in soviet union and and uh And in germany and you know in So many other places cambodia you can name we can china mouse china.
We can name other examples We need to make sure we need to fight the humanization at the earliest stage Which means we've already we need to be fighting it already because if it proceeds down that road You know things are out of control.
You got to stop it now and you stop it through public campaigns writing speaking You know doing what our institute tries to do Teach people about teach people to love the rights human rights individual rights and pluralism We have to really stress that pluralism because there are people who fear pluralism, right?
It's a threat to our culture.
You hear it on the alt-right and you hear it from you hear it from trump There's a threat to our culture Our our nice as if there's some homogeneous culture.
It's nonsense.
It's no homies homogeneous culture anywhere except maybe some you know isolated Group somewhere that's not encountered the modern civilization and I don't know how many of those are left.
There's no such thing Uh, but the bannon types, you know the stephen miller types, uh, we we need to fight that Because great danger lies ahead if if it becomes like a snowball going down a hill, right?
And then it becomes an avalanche.
It's too late.
Once we notice it's an avalanche We got it.
You got to fight it now and that's what I tried to warn about in the in the piece Now and so the thing is you might sound a little bit alarmist, but I think this is something I always feel like uh complaining about and you've given me a great opportunity to hear about the worst kind of perverse interpretations of world war ii where Everybody talks about all the lessons And all of this but then really the lesson that's come out of it is anything less than world war ii is fine and so For example, you can't criticize the israelis Treating the people of gaza like they live in the warsaw ghetto Because then you're calling the lakud the ss and that is moral equivalence and that is wrong And that is out of proportion and I don't see a complete and total holocaust going on in palestine so therefore any comparison is unfair when The whole point supposedly was hey, man anything that smacks of national socialism at all We need to all be very aware of and wary of and that includes your national highway project that includes everything Yeah Yeah, it's like that the name of that the program at rutgers that the the government is a trouble never again for anybody It's called it's like sort of like Black lives matter all lives matter.
This is so maybe you know trump probably I don't think you're saying that trump is going to round up and start shooting all the mexicans in the head You're just saying hey, let's not go down that road at all because our society ain't very libertarian right now speaking of our culture And we're trying to make it more libertarian not less.
So how about that?
You know, let's as you're saying emphasize pluralism tolerance for other people and that's supposed to be what makes us so advanced as libertarians Especially is that yeah, no really not just freedom for me, but freedom for you, too And I don't know what you're going to do with it, but I ain't afraid go ahead.
It should be fine um Most people don't really think that way most people just think well my way or the highway and everybody else You know who knows what they might do If they were free What i'm saying is if we don't want to go down a road that will horrify us we have to fight dehumanization and Not let the attitude catch on that.
Oh, well that group of people they're superfluous.
That's another word out of aaron They're superfluous.
It doesn't really matter Uh, you know as I put say in the article if if a local child protective services uh takes a child from a family because uh, because of you know, some Stupid thing that relate the family's alleged to have done or didn't do.
Uh The right will scream about that Properly will scream about that.
That's terrible.
What a what a what a disproportionate uh measure taking the child away for whatever the little violation is on the other hand When the child's taken away from a central american someone who's come in uh Seeking refuge from you know, great violence and tyranny It's they're satisfied with saying it's the law That's the banality of evil.
I think that it's because they don't regard them as persons because the officials don't regard them as persons So we have to fight this attitude we don't want this attitude to catch on that that a group of people any group of people and And Is superfluous and not and basically non non persons because if it starts with one group You don't know where that's going to spread.
It's kind of like a wildfire Maybe it's going to spread to some american citizens Look what they're doing They're going after people who appear to be american citizens living near the border on the grounds that well We suspect they only they only were recognized as citizens as babies because of fraudulent documents They haven't proved it in any particular case They're just saying and they've uh, they're going after people on the grounds that we we don't think you're really a citizen We think you only got those papers when you were a baby the hospital They were issued only because there were some fraudulent papers or the case of the dreamers, right?
These these adults now who came as children didn't choose to come here, but came as children.
It's the only society they know uh the living perfectly peaceful lives Responsible lives have families and everything married to american citizens in some cases uh They they live with the threat of getting kicked out They're like they're not they're non-persons If you treat them that way you're saying you're not really a a person and we don't want We we don't want this idea instilled in americans, you know living among us are non-persons This is a this is a potentially very dangerous thing and i'm not saying it's inevitable that the nightmare can occur But the nightmare can't occur if this sort of attitude is not widespread.
That's just confined to the fringes Or if it doesn't exist at all That sort of closes off the chance of the nightmare that's why I say love of rights and freedom and pluralism and I throw the case for free markets in there because it's necessary if people are Economically insecure because of recession depression chronic unemployment, which the government causes that fans the flames of bigotry We know that if people are wondering don't can't find work.
They look for scapegoats.
I mean it helps to Promote that bad stuff.
So Part of the insurance policy is a truly free society in a freed market Not what people think is a free market today, but but a true market And so that's what creates economic security when people are economically secure They're, you know, it's not impossible, but they're less likely to eye with suspicion, you know Oh who's taking maybe that guy's taking the job.
I would have had or something like that.
We gotta we gotta like Stomp out and I don't mean this in any violent physical way, but metaphorically stomp out the seeds of this intolerance which leads to dehumanization which can lead to The nightmare as I call it.
Yeah.
Well, you know what man?um, this all goes to the guilt of the liberal class of the um, not the libertarians, but the moderates the centrists Uh those who you know, we see line up to worship mccain who talks a lot like you You know that there are these values that we should have like freedom and stuff like that that are more important than just me me me and you gotta you know care about the good of other people and yet Then he's the perfect representation, isn't he?in his life and his death of the corruption of Of liberalism, you know where if you know if rothbard is libertarianism then thomas friedman is liberalism where As he says you have to have this mailed fist Uh to back up the free market so that we can make all these gains for liberalism And democracy and so what do we get we get empire we get millions of people killed we get of course zionism We get the boom-bust cycle that you know discredits the free market and empowers the state and then ends up making Libertarianism look bad, you know, it's like the uh, the funhouse mirror version of what you're talking about and so then um, you know, they run it into the ground basically self-government and and uh private property Well, that's the philosophy of the american totalitarians And look at all the damage that they cause in the name of their sacred prophets, etc, etc, right?
And um, you know just credit us I was talking about being kang and kodos and just getting here and how how short-term israel's Policy seems to be same thing for the americans, too They don't seem to be looking for the survival of our society over the long term in any way not the people in charge I mean No, I agree.
I think I think you have that just right uh, and it's It's always easy to blame You know, uh the the blameless.
Yeah, so and then I guess what I meant to say too was so then people of course Some people become more and more libertarian as they figure it out But a lot more people become more and more right-wing and more and more left-wing and then therefore dehumanize Each other more and more now, it's not liberals fighting conservatives now It's commies and fascists who absolutely hate each other and not that they really are commies and fascists necessarily But that's what they call each other, you know, and uh, so demonizing immigrants is one thing but just everybody hating each other beyond the point of believing that they can even talk with each other and negotiate any of these things politically at all is That's a pretty dangerous slope that we're on too I agree, I guess I could have edited out a lot of what I said and just said that but anyway Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else to add to that.
I think you're absolutely right and uh We have to be Yeah, kind of on edge and and just be ready and and not just be ready.
I mean we need to be proactive and do stuff and have You know programs.
I mean the libertarian institute's an example of it, but we need to have Programs that are publicizing this idea so that at least some people will encounter you know something else from what they're just seeing coming from the you know, they're the so-called leaders I don't know what else to do exactly but gotta do something Yeah.
All right.
Well get out of hand.
We shouldn't just be rest We shouldn't rest as I say in the piece.
We shouldn't just rest comfortably knowing well, don't worry the aclu will jump in Well, don't worry the aclu will jump in I mean they you know, they will in a lot of cases It's great that they and other groups are ready to go after any, you know particular Outrage, but it's not enough and there are still, you know traditional protections of anglo-american law That you know, it's at least some minimal protection but that's What I say in the piece is that's not enough.
We can't We can't rest assured just just with that we need to go beyond that actually fight the attitude not wait for something to happen Yeah, reed richmond possible Reed richmond tgif the goal is freedom every friday at the libertarian institute.
Thanks very much for your time again.
Sheldon.
Appreciate it I enjoyed it scott.
Thank you All right, you guys are we sure it can't happen here?
That's one and before that Uh, and this was the subject of much of our discussion here Anti-israelism and anti-semitism the invidious conflation Both of those at libertarian institute.org All right, y'all thanks find me at libertarian institute.org at scott horton.org antiwar.com and reddit.com Slash scott horton show.
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