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We ain't killing they army, but we killing them We be on CNN like say our names, been saying, saying three times The meeting of the largest armies in the history of the world, then there's going to be an invasion All right you guys, it's Friday morning, time to talk with Sheldon Richman, my partner at the Libertarian Institute He's our managing editor or something like that.
Anyway, such an excellent and important piece here You guys have got to check it out.
Depopulating Palestine, dehumanizing the Palestinians Welcome back to the show Sheldon.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing fine.
Thank you.
I'm actually the executive editor, not that these titles mean a whole lot Yeah, I'm the editor of the damn site, not you But man, you write some great articles, I'll tell you what Hey, so you learned some stuff this last week You've been writing just such a great series about Israel-Palestine lately and this one takes the cake, man Go ahead and let them have it.
Maybe there's a collection in the works I'd like to dedicate this conversation, this podcast to Benedict Spinoza Okay, the great philosopher who, because this is the I should mention that today is the 632nd, is it 32nd?
Anniversary of his 362nd anniversary of his excommunication By the rabbis and the lay board of his Amsterdam congregation for what they called Evil deeds and abominable actions.
We don't know what those are.
They didn't spell them out But anyway, I think I feel he was, of course, one of the first great advocates or maybe the first great advocate of freedom of conscience and Basically liberalism.
He kicks off the Enlightenment in liberalism.
So we ought to, I'd like to dedicate the conversation to him Right on Anyway, so what'd you ask me about the article?
Yeah.
Well, I think you learned some new stuff this week Well, I've been I've been reading a lot and this is stuff I've been reading out just this week but read some new things for me this week and absorbing a lot just over the over time and Said saying something I wanted to say which was which was to bring a distinctly libertarian approach to the the you know, the this conflict between Palestine and Israel.
I mean we see certainly very good analysis by a lot of people and And a lot of good history has been written but What that always requires some analysis too?
And I thought I thought there's always been a kind of a flaw in the analysis and then and it's this is what it is We get into arguments about You know, was there a Palestine?
Was that a distinct political entity?
Was there a people in that area who thought of themselves as Palestinians, etc?
Yeah, I mean we've all seen arguments about that there've been books and there've been counter books and You know that we have Golda Meir saying there's no Palestinian people We have Newt Gingrich these days saying there never was a Palestinian people.
There was never an independent country called Palestine Why did why did this arise just because of Israel must be anti-semitism end of case?
I saw one yesterday where a member of the Knesset said well, there's no such thing as a pea in Arabic so therefore there was no Palestine and so therefore I don't know what you're talking about How about would you believe Philistine?
It goes back to the Philistines pH.
So how does he think of what does he think of that?
But anyway, I Wanted to cut through all that because I believe that's all secondary now, I think those are important questions You know, was there a group that thought of themselves self-consciously as Palestinians?
All those are very interesting and even important.
I will say important questions historical questions and sociological And political, but I think they're secondary And this is something that every libertarian should immediately see but so I'm trying to reach beyond the libertarian community and talk to other people What counts is not whether these these people call themselves?
Palestinians or whether they were regarded as Palestinians or whether that territory was called Palestine or thought of as Palestine What what matters as a primary matter?
Primary issue is Were did these people legitimately own land and property in that territory?
In other words, they were individuals before we decide if they were Palestinians or not, whatever you want to call them We know for a fact they were human beings individual human beings and so that's what matters and once we understand through the history by reading the history that there were lots of human beings there who Acquired property legitimately namely through the what I'll call the Lockean you know from John Locke the Lockean method of Being tillers of the soil mixing their labor, etc.
In other words, they honestly acquired their property.
We can declare this legitimate then that answers So many of the other questions that follow About them being run out you know the knock but the catastrophe that occurred in 1947-48 at the hands of the Soon-to-be Israeli part of that a lot of that occurred before there was formally a state before declared independence So let's call it Israeli, even though I'm talking also about pre-israel Israeli armed, you know forces or militias that drove people out of their homes at gunpoint bayonet point and Slaughtered hundreds of them drove hundreds of thousands.
Oh eight hundred thousand or so away and slaughtered Hundreds in a couple of you know Horrible cases of villages and then use this those massacres to scare other people to leave those were individuals Human beings no matter what else they were they were individuals and as a libertarian I want to say to when I'm deciding the moral issue and the political issue.
That's all I need to know full stop and So that's what I think is fresh about this Libertarians shouldn't be surprised but I hope in though, you know in the broader community that's interested in the subject they'll see this as something fresh and cutting through a lot because otherwise we get distracted by when did they begin to think of Themselves as Palestinians You shouldn't even have to be a libertarian at all, right?
Like any person I think ought to be able to tell that when someone says well There was no nation called Palestine that that's a completely ridiculous red herring Who cares if they were occupied by the Brits or by the Ottomans or the Chinese or anybody else?
There's still people with property rights as simple as that We have to we have to read the analysis of what I'm calling methodological Collectivism and be methodological individualists No, I stress the word methodological.
We're not talking about.
Yeah, you should believe in free markets.
That's that's a whole other subject We're not talking about that today.
I'm talking about by how do you do your method?
We're talking about individual human beings human beings come in individual units We have rights by virtue of being human not by virtue of being Jewish or Palestinian or Muslim or Arab or Christian?but by virtue of being human and We we gain Legitimate control over a piece of land in as I say in the Lockean manner of working it Change, you know changing it farming it bounding it things like that and these people did that So that as far as the political and moral case goes That's really all we need to know now Like I said, there's plenty of other interesting things and the article goes on to talk about the deep roots of the people We call Palestinians.
It's even misleading to call them Arabs Although you know, the the the lingo is not going to change and it's there's just a matter of convenience But you'll see in my article Scott you already know this, but others will see in the article that it's it really does oversimplify They call them Arabs because these are people who were there from pre-biblical time I mean their ancestors were there from pre-biblical times.
The place was conquered, you know several times You know by the Romans and then and then you have the the Arabs in the what is it 7th century?
Arabs and Muslims later Ottomans so people always mix right?
There's always mixing of People so Nobody's a pure Arab in that area because the Arabs when they came obviously Probably settled down and married with people who were there before but they go back to the Canaanites the people from the you read about the Bible that what Deuteronomy were where what's his a Camera's name now who blew the trumpets at Jericho and you know and all that biblical crap basically Joshua they went and conquered people now They killed a lot of people afford to believe the Bible but who knows how historically accurate that is But they probably didn't kill everybody so a lot of people Were they were people were still there and then the people who settled the newcomers who settled mixed with those people and you get this You know you get this this happens throughout history.
So you have a continuous presence of people who then Later on, you know intermarried with the newcomers whether whether they were conquerors or peaceful newcomers And so you these are this the people today that we call Palestinians Are we really have their roots going back to the from time immemorial to use a the title of an infamous book on this subject?
So that's opposed to the mythology, which is that and I mean, I mean the current the modern mythology Which is that this was a land without people and in fact, you know I've heard it claimed that listen.
The only reason these Arabs came is because the European Jews came and made the desert bloom and then all of these evil Arabs decided to come from I don't know Saudi or Jordan or somewhere to try to steal it all from them Well, that's an old myth mythology that you know the Zionist movement propagated and then it was revived I mean it was it was you know was beaten back quite a bit by historians actually knew what they were talking about But then there was a book.
This is the infamous book.
I referred to That came out in 1984 called from time immemorial by someone named Joan Peters Joan Peters.
Who's a deceased now Some people doubt she actually wrote the book.
They think it was just she was just You know induced to put her name on it which a very long book like an 800 page book with 1800 footnotes that that appeared to show claimed to show that if you look at the population studies that have been done the Censuses and stuff done by the Ottomans and the British and all these reports that were being churned out by government bureaucrats over those years in fact Yes, the the people we call the Palestinians were mostly Recent immigrants attracted to the Jewish development and and that she also had claimed to have made a fresh demographic demographic study that Confirmed all this that in fact the refugees the people we call Palestinian refugees were only recent newcomers to to What became the state of Israel?
That book was completely demolished in a short time by Norman Finkelstein You can look online and find find stuff by him about this The book also by the way while it was lavishly praised by American intellectuals American intellectuals.
I stress American I mean Barbara Tuchman and Prestigious name said this is a wonderful book The book was ridiculed and dismissed out of hand in Israel and England in the major publications and journals So just to give you some perspective, I linked the one article about this whole episode that Chomsky No, Chomsky writes about Finkelstein and his attempt and he was just a graduate student at the time Norman Finkelstein at Princeton Doing his dissertation on Zionism when this book came out He had to put everything on hold and read this book and he went through every footnote and just showed where she cheated and misstated quotations and mangled quotations and interpret misinterpreted things and basically lied And did some other very sneaky things.
I mean it was unbelievable.
But here's the thing.
I want to point out And it goes back to my original point about individualism methodological individualism I can grant Joan Peters Thesis, I mean I don't do it but for the sake of argument I could say okay You're right.
These were recent and by recent, you know couple of decades not days recent Arab immigrants who were attracted to Let's say Jewish economic activity in Tel Aviv and you know that area up and down the coast on the Mediterranean.
Let's say that's true That couldn't justify running them out of the country When in Israel is getting ready to declare its independence because no one said those people were on stolen land, right?
There's no immigrants.
They were living somehow Legitimately on land.
However renting property right, you know, however, they were there.
I never heard that they stole anybody's house They just came and moved there.
So but on what grounds do you run them out?
Or you do it you slaughter them there are no good grounds for that and therefore even if you grant Joan Peters crazy, you know idiotic Totally dishonest thesis.
They still don't get where they want to go You can't get there from here from her, you know where she wants to start So again, it gets back to my methodological individualism.
All I need to know is these are human beings The rest is a footnote.
That's my bottom line on this, right?
And now but speaking of footnotes man you have some real footnotes in here such as this quote from David Ben-Gurion himself Well in 1918, I learned this from Shlomo Sand Shlomo Sand has written three really wonderful books heavily documented He's a he's a professor of history may be a merit is now professor of history Tel Aviv University, right born in He wasn't born moved.
I think it's Austrian.
So his family after World War Two moved to Israel I don't believe he was I think he was born shortly after I think he was born in a Possibly in a displaced persons camp in Europe.
I may be confusing with someone else.
Anyway moves to Israel as a child with his parents So brought up in Israeli culture.
Israeli Jewish by birth, I don't know how much of an upbringing and then professor of history at Tel Aviv University for a long time He's written three very important books the first two are the most relevant and actually the first one's the most relevant Although I linked to the first two the invention of the Jewish people and the second one was the invention of the invention of the land of Israel very heavily documented books very readable books So the point I learned this point.
I'm going to make about Ben-Gurion from from his book.
Now, by the way, when he when he says the invention of the Jewish people He does not argue that this is a special case.
He says most national groups, maybe all national groups were invented So it's not like a special case that the Jews did this or the Israelis did this all Peoples end up getting invented.
In other words, when when the Jews invented the land of Israel In other words when when countries got centralized or unite, you know united unified in the 19th century like Germany like Greece Italy You know, they were city-states or they were provinces or little separate states.
They didn't have a common culture They didn't even speak a common language.
You often couldn't understand each other the dialects were that different but when some uniter like Garibaldi Unites a country like Italy into a single state.
He then he and his people that have to create a national consciousness just like with the United States in the United States people thought of themselves as as Virginians or New Yorkers not as Americans.
So an effort has to be made to get them to think on national terms So the famous quote out of Italy is is a Garibaldi's one of his people says, okay after the unification He said okay, we have Italy now we need Italians In other words, we got to get thinking of people not as being Sicilians or you know, whatever the various Provinces or regions were now they have to think of themselves as a town same thing same thing with Jewish people So it's not an exception.
The title might lead people to think.
Oh, that's an exception and they'll say well don't all peoples get invented Some way or another and the answer is yes, they do.
So let's go back to Ben-Gurion now I learned from Sam the following thing in 1918 Ben-Gurion first Prime Minister of Israel and he has a co-author historian by the name of Yitzhak Ben-Zvi who was the second president of President now not Prime Minister of Israel Prime Minister is In Israel like a lot of parliamentary systems.
The the president is pretty much a figurehead Prime Minister is like the head politician.
They put out a book in 1918 Eretz Israel, which means land of Israel In the past and in the present and what?
Say it what Ben-Gurion and Zvi write is that the Palestinian peasants the fellaheen as they're known Go back to biblical times in other words, they were They're from the original Judaeans in other words, they're saying look we're Jewish settlers We want to settle Israel make and make a state out of Israel.
These are our people This is what they were saying in 1918 these Palestinian Arabs we see here are our people and as they put it the fellaheen are not Descendants of the Arab conquerors who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the 7th century CE the Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country They expelled all of the alien Byzantine rulers and did not touch the local population Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement?
In other words the Arabs who came from the outside, right?
They came from Saudi Arabia the big desert They didn't go in there kick everybody out and start there and take it over.
It wasn't a settler colony They wanted to rule it But they wanted the people to keep farming and so they could pay the taxes and also produce the goods So here's Ben-Gurion and Ben and Ben-Zvi saying these people we see all around us By the way, it was obviously wasn't a land without a people these people we see all around us There are people these are our kin as they would say in Hebrew there are mishpacha our family Well, that's amazing, isn't it?
Because that's not the story we get today and where sand explains as Arab nationalism began to rise up and and and I would say a Palestinian consciousness and it resisted the Jewish settlers who were coming in and kicking Kicking the Palestinians awful off land and kicking them off the land.
This is before the state was even founded As they resisted the Zionists suddenly now the pioneering Zionist said whoops, these aren't these aren't our people They're not us and they disowned them basically and then they propagate this myth that there were never there weren't people here But once the Jews once the Jews got kicked out by the Romans That was the you know The Jews wandered the world and have been waiting to get back to Israel ever since That that was the new story because these because these people who once were the family were now saying why are you stealing my land?
They didn't like that One more thing about I mentioned the exile about how this land was empty according to the mythology sand points out and confirms that the Romans didn't kick the Judeans or Jews, whatever they were called the Hebrews, whatever they were called back then.
They did not kick them out in 70 AD famously when the Second Temple was destroyed They didn't kick them out because the Romans didn't do that kind of thing.
First of all, the Romans kept voluminous records of everything they did the Roman authorities, there's no record of being of a wholesale removing Everybody and emptying out Palestine so that the Romans could come in.
That's not what happened That's not how they did things.
They wanted taxpayers and farmers too.
So there was no exile and Sand when he was writing his chapter on this book, he went to the Tel Aviv library University Library Which is he says is a very decent library to look for books on the exile He didn't know this yet And he figured there'd be walls of books about the exile who every he says every little village in Palestine or Israel There's a book about at least one book about so about the exile.
Surely there's gonna be like many many books He goes in there.
He can't find one book So he said what the heck's going on here?
He goes to the Department of Jewish History, which is separate from the Department of History where he was in Tel Aviv University and he texts talks to the professors and says Why are there no books about the exile and the answer he gets and he does this in his charming Israeli accent.
He says Well, it wasn't exactly an exile And he says why do you lead people to believe there was an exile he said hey We don't ever tell people they're in exile.
You can find his lectures online He says you go out into the hallway and stop students in the hallway and say Were the Jews exiled by the Romans in 78 day and they'll all tell you yes We're to get in that idea and they also and the scholars say we didn't tell him that No, but they let them believe that and so there was never the wandering Jews.
That's that's a major point They were there continuously But they converted and the intermarried again as other groups came in and conquered or visited or you know We're moved in talk about that specifically to that when the Arabs came and the Muslims came in the 7th century That they didn't exile them either.
They needed them to pay taxes.
So they kept them that comes out of sand also They didn't the first time I didn't have the means to do it as the sand says, you know They didn't have the means of transportation back in the 7th century They didn't have a truck In other words what you're what you're really telling me here quite contrary to what everyone in the world is led to believe is that the?
Palestinians really are the original Descended from the original Hebrews going back to the two three thousand years and the Poles the Lithuanians The Russians and the New Yorkers who claim to be the original Hebrews are in fact Poles and Lithuanians and Russians and New Yorkers Well, it certainly looks that way certainly You would we would have it's reasonable to say that most of the people that we call Palestinian Arabs Muslim and Christian Were those original people?and they were Jewish at one point, but then when the when the Muslim when the Christians came when You know when the Roman Empire accepted Christianity Some converted to Christianity But and when the Arabs came a lot of them Converted to Islam and as a sand points out one reason they could Converted was they would be exempt from taxes if they converted so there was a very good reason to convert You'd be you wouldn't have to pay taxes.
So But they didn't they didn't want to have to you know They were willing to do that.
So whatever, you know, whatever you think of that, that's secondary The point is they changed religions.
And of course, yes, there's always intermarriage, right?
This happens over the centuries A group of people is never so isolated I mean for the most part and as new groups come in whether it like by like I said But either by conquest or by peaceful methods people and I wrote about this a few weeks ago about the freedom of association That's the natural thing people intermarry right the young generation says Hey, I made maybe I'm X but I like that girl over there Who's from group Y and then they get married and they have kids and before there now you have mixing So there's no, you know, there's no pure race or ethnic group or nationality All right, y'all Here's who sponsors this show Mike Swanson author of the war state the rise of the military industrial complex in America after World War Two it's just great.
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This is just a footnote because none of this really matters Anyway, other than the truth is the truth and it's important They're human beings.
That's what I say is primary Secondary, this is other stuff is interesting very interesting And the other thing I do in the article because I don't think I'm not saying it's unimportant the fact that I say it's secondary Doesn't mean it's not important There was Palestinian consciousness going back to even the 10th century.
I Didn't discover this person.
He's famous in some circles, but I only learned about him recently.
There's a 10th century Arab geographer by the name of Mukhtar Mukhadassi something like that who wrote a Well regarded book in the 10th century late 10th century about that area and he discusses Palestine in very distinct terms in terms of culture and agriculture culture the people And then we have other things that would prompt the consciousness namely, you know, here's the thing a group May not think of themselves so much as a group when they're left alone and they're in peace.
But as soon as there's colonialism or outside oppression or pressure That prompts the development of group culture.
Like oh my gosh, look at this We're surrounded or rally around the flag like American support in George W Bush after 9-11 I don't mean it in that negative sense It's just that look if you see that a group of people are coming in and want to kill you or take your land You're gonna say hey, I have something in common with all these other people who are threatened by this this power So I'm not saying it as a negative thing like nationalism I'm saying it as right.
There's certainly a group solidarity like oh, hey, we're all in the same boat We're all under attack here.
So that happens and in 1834 the an Egyptian Ruler and I stress Egyptian now.
He's that means he's Arab in this case in 1834 Rules Palestine, even though it's still part of the Ottoman Empire.
He gets some sort of Autonomy within the Ottoman Empire Ottoman Empire and the the inhabitants of that area that we call Palestine and that word Palestine is used in Mukadasi's book by the way, so it's an old word going back to the Romans from Philistine Which is we know from the biblical times, right?
Anyway The are the Palestinians now I'll call them Palestinians didn't like the Egyptian rule he wanted to Conscript their sons and take away their guns They didn't like that and so they revolted against this Arab this Egyptian Arab So if they were only our if they only thought of themselves as Arabs Why are they revolting against an Arab?
They didn't like the outsider he regarded they regarded this guy as an outsider and his people so they revolted no they lost They lost unfortunately But that's the kind of thing that forges an identity a group identity and then it happens again later with the Ottomans and then it happens in the early 1920s because under the Sykes-Picot agreement between England and France during World War one They're going to carve up the the the Middle East after they take it away from the Turks Which they proceed to do One of the prominent the people In one of the from one of the prominent families the Hashemite family After the war don't forget they promised they had promised independence of the Arabs and then screwed them.
They broke the promise They never intended to keep the promise.
They said revolt against the Arabs and will give you independence They revolted and they didn't get independence.
So a Guy gets himself declared king of Syria, which is one of the areas given to France Syria and Lebanon given to France and this guy Not Hussein Faisal who's the son of the Sharif Hussein he he gets himself named king of Syria But guess what the French don't want have don't you know want that they're gonna rule Syria and so they kick him out Now Palestine for a long time was regarded as the southern province of Syria It was still distinct in people's eyes, but it was still kind of attached to Syria It was a southern province But when they look when they when the people that were still hoping for some independence, I'll call them Arabs now I mean, we know we know it's actually a group.
That's a you know, a very mixed quote blood I don't even like to talk in those terms But let's call marriages because for convenience sake but the people the Arabs living in Palestine now and and prominent people When they lost Syria when the France French said no, you can't have your king and they kicked him out He ends up I think in Jordan People in Palestine say okay, we lost Syria now we must maintain the independence of Palestine.
So the consciousness becomes even greater so there's plenty of Episodes where we can see the sort of the the gelling of a of a Palestinian consciousness and we can we see this so No, was there ever an independent country called Palestine?
No, but again as I said in the beginning, that's not what matters The point is they didn't just start becoming conscious of themselves in 1967 which is typical Israeli story or 1948 perhaps but a lot of times people say yeah, they wouldn't even think of themselves as Palestinians in the 1967 You know, where were they before that?
Well, they were there before that.
And so I just tried to set the record straight in this piece.
Yeah Well, you do a hell of a good job of it It's funny cuz I just had some Hasbara troll on Twitter yesterday saying oh, yeah an invented nation that never existed And then I just stayed out of it because I was gonna say something really horrible.
But so luckily Someone else chimed in the person who I'd originally retweeted chimed in and said, oh, yeah And I guess the people are just imaginary too, huh?
And of course no response from that You know all states are fictions anyway, you know, they're just legal constructs Humans are real.
That's my opening point.
That's right And now all we need to do is throw the Ben Gurion Ben's V book at them saying Oh were these people hallucinate with these two guys?
Hallucinating.
Yeah, what is Ben Gurion know about it, right?
Well, they saw people all around them.
Were they hallucinating and not only do they see people around them?
They said hey, this is our kin kin folks We dissent from you Which really just goes to show how dishonest it is As you say they had to change the story that will geez if a bunch of basically white Ashkenazi Jews from Europe are going to come and seize this land.
We better make up an excuse For kicking these people off it.
So now they're the aliens not us Right, so they kicked them out of the family basically and you mentioned, you know, you mentioned the Poles the other Europeans that came there's certainly plenty of Evidence, I mean it's been building up over the years and that Sam discusses that the Ashkenazi Jews the ones that You know are in Europe were in Europe Eastern Europe and then further west They never went back to Palestine I mean and this this story by the way is in all the older major histories of the Jewish people because I once went to a Decent library at a Jewish school and looked at the major works This was back in the 80s sometime and looked at the major works of Jewish history and they all acknowledged this They didn't say it was controversial.
I certainly didn't say it was an anti-semitic myth but that a large maybe most of or if not all of the Ashkenazi Jews don't have a direct line back because the Judaism the Jews were Converted a lot of people in the first century or two of the common era they converted people in large groups kingdoms in Yemen in Massa, sorry Where Iraq is now?
In northern Africa, the Berbers were converted.
Who knows Gaddafi's ancestors might have been Jewish.
Who knows?
And also Western Turkey and Khazaria, which was a huge kingdom North of the Caucasus mountains Between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea it was caught this is the 8th century the king was caught between the Christian world on his you know to his West and the Muslim world to his East and he was concerned if I choose sides, I'm gonna get the other side man So what did he do?
He converted to Judaism, which means this whole population was converted to Judaism I think with forced circumcision in some cases But we won't go into that.
Yikes.
That's too painful boy convert me to Christianity Anyway, they then got eventually they were around for 400 years and they cut they conquered and invaded the Georgia where Georgia is today and Armenian and they went south of the Caucasus mountains and it's invading and let me ask you this because people get really upset about that No, uh, this Kazar thing is a big lie and it's been debunked and this and that so what do you know about that?
Well, it's it's not been debunked it's been it's been modified There's a guy at the Johns Hopkins Medical School by the name of Aaron Alhaik who's got a very busy Serious DNA project going on and he says, you know Don't forget in the 70s Arthur Kessler the famous Arthur Kessler wrote a book called a 13th tribe Which is about the Khazars and how they converted Now Alhaik tells me and I am in contact with him that we know a lot more now What more has been learned since Kessler and so?
He thinks that before the Khazars were converted there was a community in Western Turkey That was converted and it had towns that sound very much like the word Ashkenaz And he says you don't find those that name anywhere else a lot of people think it began in Germany But he said there was no tribe in Germany though The German areas went by different names over the many years normally by prominent tribes He says there's no tribe.
That's got a name like Ashkenaz or Ashkenazi, but in Western Turkey there are a couple of towns or villages with with words like that and a lot of Yiddish has words that come from Turkish or a Turkic language like the word synagogue and Yarmulke are not Hebrew words.
They're not Yiddish or German words They're Turkish words.
So there's a lot of there's a lot of evidence about this and he's actually doing DNA evidence with using ancient bones from people buried in you know, Palestine Israel Palestine and comparing to people, you know today Ashkenazi Jews, and he's not finding support for the idea that Ashkenazi Jews go back to biblical you know a thing a couple years ago that said that Through mitochondrial DNA and this and that that they traced the Ashkenazis to two women who had come originally from Palestine From whatever is or ancient Israel.
I don't know.
I don't know that it sounds inconsistent with al-haq work because the these were conversions these weren't people who just intermarried with Jews and then became Jews the king said a little bit of both to write you had some Some women who had had come by whatever means to Europe from From whether whether they'd ever been exiled by the Romans or not, right people travel Well, okay.
It's not impossible that somebody traveled but the point is there are a lot of people if the cause our stories is true I mean it's in it's in conventional history.
So it's not it's not like a fringe position Given the cause our story there are an awful lot of Descendants who Were convert, you know from there were a lot of descendants from converts from proselytes So they they weren't there wasn't there They are not the descendants of people who intermarried with people who came from, you know, the land of Canaan there are people who Came purely from cause ours who converted in which case the line stops.
It stops it because area Or Western Turkey wherever it might have originated.
So, you know, I can't I can't say that nobody, you know, nobody in Kazaria Has has a claim and not a son.
It wouldn't be a claim but a bloodline back But that doesn't seem to be the major part of it because this kingdom converted it was a large kingdom I don't know what the population was.
This is a significant kingdom and the king the king converts Which converts everybody and they were Jews.
I mean, there's a lot of eyewitness testimony from You know people who wrote histories of the day They were apparently there were one Arab observer says they had red hair.
Well, guess what?
I have red hair.
My son has red hair.
My father has had red hair.
My grandfather had red hair He's from Lithuania.
So does that make me a cause or maybe I believe this is You know cause our self-determination now, that's right Hey I just got this email from Jeff dice He says Scott is the TGIF some kind of Friday series or articles?
If so, it gives a weird and jarring breeziness to this important and serious article like TGIF two-for-one margaritas No, it stands for It stands for the goals freedom, which I want to do a Friday article I started a Friday article when I was the editor of the Freeman.
Mm-hmm for 15 years So in 2006, I was starting it up and I wanted it to be on Friday because that way it would you know It would be the top thing all through the weekend.
Mm-hmm.
That was my plan.
So I thought okay What can I do with TGIF and I spent a whole day?
Kind of in the back of my mind most of the time thinking what can I use?
What can you know?
What can I make that an acronym for and you know dumb me I couldn't come up with anything So I said to Cheryl I need a good, you know, something like your lovely and wonderful wife She just says in one second without giving any thought the goal is freedom I spent She's a really great lady that Cheryl didn't she?
Yeah It was brilliant and I give her the credit all the time, but that's it stands So it stands for the goal is freedom.
But of course, it's also on Friday.
So it's There's nothing to do with the restaurant, right I was just thinking man I could use some bacon cheddar potato skins here I get I get no money from them That wouldn't be kosher at all.
Would it bacon and cheddar?
Hey, listen, man Thank you so much for coming back on the show and talking about this stuff.
Oh I always enjoy it sure is great.
All right, everybody.
That's the great Sheldon Richmond.
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Of course at the Libertarian Institute Libertarian Institute org today.
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Thanks again Sheldon.
My pleasure.
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