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He does the podcast Free Man Beyond the Wall Which we feature at the Libertarian Institute at libertarianinstitute.org He's also the author of The Kids Are Not All Right And for some reason I just spaced out on what was the book before that again, Mance?
You mean the one you wrote the foreword for?
Yeah, the one I wrote the foreword to It's Freedom Through Memedom.
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I just yeah, Freedom Through Memedom Which is also awesome.
And then yeah, The Kids Are Not All Right About what commies they all are these days.
Welcome back to the show.
How you doing, man?
Doing good, man.
How are you doing?
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Happy to have you here.
And listen, so I've got something very important to talk about here, the case of Ross Ulbricht And I apologize to my entire audience and to the entire world that I have done Nothing on this case up until this point on this show, which you know, it's a foreign policy show mostly, but this is really important He's one of us Ross Ulbricht He's a libertarian and he's locked up in prison two life terms plus 40 years for what I gather is Doing a public service as far as I can tell and hurting no one so Appreciate you joining us here.
First of all, just tell us who is Ross.
What is the Silk Road?
What was the Silk Road?
Why is he sitting in a penitentiary right now?
Ross was a guy who got involved with the Ron Paul campaign in 2007 That's how I came to libertarianism and he became active.
He was actually active in the campaign.
He started reading about Austrian economics and he started reading about Agorism His mom told me he had designed he had designed a video game Where it was going to teach people how to have voluntary associations and it never went anywhere He couldn't sell it.
So Being being somebody who was interested in voluntary associations He decided to create this website called the Silk Road and it was in what they call the deep web tour and Basically, it was going to be a market bazaar a flea market of sorts where people could exchange goods Normally goods that would be associated Where if you wanted to try and get them you would you may encounter violence?there's violence around it in our society the war on drugs things like that and He basically created this it was only going to be you You were only allowed to use Bitcoin That was the the currency which is we'll come back to later because I think that's what all of this is about the fact That they used Bitcoin and he created this site.
They had a bunch of rules You were not allowed to sell anything that could potentially hurt somebody if guns went up there They were immediately taken down if anybody put anything Anything that could cause harm to another person that wasn't something that they would do volunteer Voluntarily it was taken down So it turned out that it was it basically turned out to be mostly weed People selling weed and there were some designer drugs the kit that were sold on there but um, yeah, it was it was a voluntary site and You went on there and you could buy you buy what you needed.
And this is what years He started it in 2011 and it really started to kick off and get really popular in 2012 mm-hmm, and then So, what's the big deal?well He you know, the the site was Trafficking drug there.
I mean you could buy drugs on the site.
It was basically like eBay Somebody put something up there for sale You decided you wanted it you paid the amount that they that The seller wanted and they would mail it to you get it to you somehow and the the administrators of the site would just like paper just like eBay would take a portion and it was basically it but the big deal so the rule was you can't sell guns or something like that, but But that was basically their own choice of where they drew that line The line was not you can't sell anything.
That's illegal, which would have been a different standard, right?
Well, correct, you know, I mean, it's If they would have decided to sell guns, I mean personally me.
I'm I'm an anarchist.
I that wouldn't bother me but they wanted to try and Limit the attention that you would draw from the government now Obviously by selling if 90 to 95 percent of what's being sold on the Silk Road is marijuana Well, wait, it's a schedule one drug in this country for some reason and They the the DEA actually Agents actually infiltrated the the Silk Road.
There was there were actually an administrator someone with Administrative capabilities who was a DEA agent.
That's how all this started to that's how the Silk Road Basically was taken down Well, so this is a new invention the way he set this up But were there laws on the books that actually banned something like this or they had to get creative in figuring out how to Characterize it as though he was breaking the law Well, yeah, if you actually look at the charges that were leveled you could see that they're being very creative I'll give you I'll give you an example The first thing that he was convicted of was distributing or Acting aiding and abetting the distribution of narcotics you got to remember aiding and abetting Means knowingly assisting in the commission of a crime even if he didn't actually commit the crime distribution requires a concrete involvement in the transfer of drugs, so Basically they were narcotics of course means a derivative of the poppy plant not any old illegal drug But I guess that doesn't matter No, I mean they're they they make up their law.
They make up their laws.
They they use a dead language You know Latin and they twist it any way they want and that's what they did in this case He was convicted on seven different seven different accounts on seven different counts What's most bizarre is that the one count that people think he was convicted of and that it's clear that oh Ross Ulbricht was guilty of this is He was never convicted of it was it was a count that was brought to Deny him bail Which is murder for hire There's there's this whole story about how Ross Ulbricht was hired Was trying to hire assassins to kill somebody and it was wired magazine wired magazine who used to be on the cutting edge of everything basically outed themselves as good as statist government lovers by Releasing transcripts that they said proved that Ross Ulbricht tried to hire assassins to have people killed It turns out that this was all taken from the this was all taken from an account that five people up to five people had access to and That an undercover DEA and undercover DEA agent also had access to so Right there It's reasonable doubt because if six people if six people have access to something and some and you see words coming across the screen well prove to me who was the one who typed it and So he was charged with murder for hire Denied bail two months later.
They dropped the charges Goes to trial these seven crazy charges that they just basically invented and had to use insane language to to Convict him on He gets convicted the judge Brings up the murder for hire again at sentencing and The and people are looking at and people look at this and they think that this is okay I mean how you know, it would be like being it would it would be like being on trial for you know Vehicular manslaughter and then somebody and then somebody says oh and also he tried he tried to hire someone to I mean How do how is this guy?
Sentenced to two life sentences plus 40 years Based off of basically narcotics.
What would essentially be narcotics trafficking?
I mean, it's And just this week Just this week It was announced that the it was it was in the Baltimore court that these charges of murder for hire were brought They were they were dismissed without prejudice, which means that they could be brought up again Well, they've never been brought up again And this week the prosecutor has submitted paperwork to have them dismissed with prejudice Which means they could never be brought up again the prosecutor filed for that.
Why?
Well, I say no, they didn't say different prosecutor got elected or something.
Yeah, it has to be that I'm not I'm not up on that but um, I can That's important when you say with prejudice that means that I don't want to hear this again You're the the the prosecutor is asking the judge to forbid him from trying this later Yeah, it was it says respect.
I'm looking at the I'm looking at the document right now and it says respectfully submitted Robert K her United States Attorney by Sandra Wilkinson Assistant United States Attorney.
So yeah, these are federal prosecutors.
Nobody's elected here, but maybe somebody's been appointed to replace somebody else Yeah, so this has been So we've known all along that I Mean, okay.
Let me let me bring this up the agent that Infiltrated the Silk Road and became an admin.
Wait, wait, hold on to that for a second I just got just just where we are so far The guy's convicted of hosting a website where other people sell weed to each other and he you know Presumably knows this and allows it to continue or whatever So they're trumping up and making him part of a drug conspiracy here But then at the sentencing the judge brings up crimes that he was not charged with and was not convicted of and sentences him to two life terms plus 40 years quite apparently based on a Conviction for trying to hire Hitman on an attempted murder or whatever you would call that if there was actually a charge in a conviction And now he's doing two life terms plus 40, even though as of this week the US Attorney has said That they have at least I don't know what their belief is about whether he did it or not But they don't believe that they could prove it in a million years and they've now asked the judge to dismiss that Charge with prejudice so it was already dismissed without prejudice meaning it wasn't active But it could be brought back up again but now even the US Attorney says Forbid me from bringing this back up again because it's BS and yet he's still I mean doesn't that give them the Biggest opening in the world to appeal the sentence if the judge sentenced him for a thing that even the prosecutor agrees now is unprosecutable Here's the problem though our system is soaked up that he's exhausted all of his appeals He's taken it all the way to the Supreme Court the Supreme Court denied Listening to listening to the motions that were brought dismissed them so according to the judicial system He cannot the only way that he can be released from prison now is by pardon or clemency Well, but doesn't can't he appeal based on other premises or no from from everything I under from everything I understand because I thought I talked to I talked to his mom the other night, and she's really she's She's very nerdy on this stuff.
She knows all the cases involved and she said no she said even even with this new evidence He can only be pardoned.
He can only get pardoned or pardoned from the president or clemency Because of the way the way our system is designed and I mean, it's it's absolutely remarkable that this even went to trial Considering two of the lead investigators went to jail for corruption During this case Two of the lead investigators are in prison right now Tell me how could that possibly be a cop being held accountable for anything they must have really done something bad Well, yeah, they I'm I'm looking I'm trying I can never remember the guy's name because he has such a weird name the the the lead cop on it the one who had Infiltrated the it's I think his name is Karl mark force Yeah, here.
It is says Rampant corruption Rampant corruption was revealed after his conviction two federal agents were under investigation before before and during the trial and have been indicted for corruption stealing and it's extorting funds from the Silk Road the the the main Bitcoin wallet that was used for Storing the Bitcoin that the Silk Road took as fees for transactions.
Yeah, that's gone Yeah, it's it's gone I remember reading about this at the DEA agent at least one of them that this was what he got in trouble for was for Stealing the bitcoins.
He thought he's gonna get away with that.
Never heard of the blockchain ledger, I guess Yeah So one of the agents DEA agent Karl mark force was the lead undercover agent in the case against all brick and had high-level access to Had high-level access to the website to the admin of the website where he could alter logs He could alter anything this guy is this is the main guy who all of the evidence in in the case came from and he is in prison for corruption think about this if you've heard of cases that were that were dismissed never even brought to trial because because They just there was reasonable doubt.
There was just well We can't prove it was this person So we have five people who have have access to and five people who have access to an account including an undercover DEA Agent the DEA agent the two agents are brought up under corruption charges and sent and the sentence to prison How can anybody take the the evidence in this case?seriously When the two people who are responsible for gathering most of it are in prison for corruption Yeah, it's corruption on this case on this case.
Yeah, it's the biggest farce.
I've ever heard about he's in a prison He's in a maximum security prison with rapists and murderers and you know low-level terrorists in Florence, Colorado Where everybody in there including the guards say this guy does not belong in here in Florence?
You mean in the supermax with Ted Kaczynski?
No.
Oh, yeah, there's a It's the same compound on the same compound.
There's a max and a supermax.
He's not in the supermax.
He's in the max But um still he's in there.
He's in there with murderers and rapists and he started a website now Help me with this man.
I seem to remember from back during the trial and I'm so sorry to you and Rosson everybody for being so bad on this story, but wasn't there a whole thing where?
You know the conviction was of the dread pirate Roberts and they said well That's him.
But in fact, there were a few different people who were the dread pirate Roberts I think that's what you're talking about this admin account that there were at least five different people Involved on it.
And so, you know like tighter Tyler Durden over there at zero hedge, right?
It's whoever's writing for zero hedge today is Tyler Durden kind of thing and so They connected him to this pseudonym But they did not necessarily connect him to the pseudonym at the time.
It was being used for XY or Z. Is that right?he he was arrested and Put in jail and put in jail awaiting for trial and people were still signing into the dread pirate Roberts account If that's not but it's still am I right though that they they were able to to accuse the dread pirate Roberts of committing these Crimes, but they couldn't more specifically tied to him In other words, they couldn't say that well through the State Department's key to the TOR system, we know that it was his IP address that logged in as Roberts that day when XY or Z happened or something more specific like that Well, they were when he was picked when he was picked up It was in a lot.
He was in a library and In San Francisco He was logged.
He was logged into the dread pirate Roberts account But and so, you know, obviously he We know that he was one of the admins on it But having multiple admins just raises reasonable doubt in every case so but here's the other thing When they seized his laptop from him that day.
They had no warrant for that laptop They had I mean it was a Fourth Amendment that that was one of the that was one of the the Things that went to the Supreme Court was that they hadn't there was he had Fourth Amendment protections for that laptop that were Completely ignored and the Supreme Court just said nope.
They they they quoted some case from 1979 that had something to do with the phone company.
I can't I can't state the case right now I can tell you because it's really important This is the basis of the third-party doctrine right here was a guy had robbed a lady and then he kept threatening her he was calling her and calling her and threatening her and the cops went and got the phone records from the company without a warrant and Proved that he was the one who was calling her and convicted him and the defense attorneys Of course said they had no right to do that and the judge upheld it and they just the courts just made up this law There's no state legislature in the country or the US Congress have ever passed a law like this It's judge made up law that said that well if you do business with anyone those records are public information and doesn't matter if your contract says you have to keep my Records private or anything like that as long as you have a relationship with any other person In a business sense, I guess then all those records are up for grabs without a warrant and that third-party doctrine has been used and abused beyond any kind of reason ever since then and So that was what they cited there And one of the craziest parts about that whole thing is in the language of it It says that if you give your phone number to the phone company Which never made any sense to me because the phone company is the one that gives you the phone number, right?
Yeah, they're so there yeah, it really it's one of those It's one of those things that was made up on the spot because there was no precedent for it, right?
So they just had they had to they had to invent it on the spot and they actually use and the Supreme Court just actually used that to dismiss To dismiss this which just which just lets you which just lets you know, how wonderful Everything everything has been since 9-eleven the Patriot Act all this all this I'm sorry.
I am just spacing out on this My brain is about worthless at this point, I guess but I just interviewed somebody a couple of weeks ago About a court case where the third-party doctrine was finally being challenged, but I guess too late for this Yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean apparently the way the legal system is set up in this country if you have a certain amount a certain amount of challenges you can bring to the court and After that then the only way that you can the only way is through the president Which is which you know is is I mean no one's ever heard Donald Trump Say the word Bitcoin or blockchain or anything like that.
So, I mean if they're I mean, what are the what are the chances unless?you know and Lynn and and Lynn Ulbrich Ross's mom always says this says Ask people if you know a politician somebody in power Please get me in contact with them so I can talk to them because I mean it literally at this point That's the only way he's ever gonna get out and you know I remind you two life sentences and 40 years for starting a website.
I mean, it's It's the most one of the most dystopian things you can think of Yeah, it really is crazy.
And you know, so I just saw this this morning.
It's a Democrat Brianna Wu running for Congress Put out a tweet this morning about oh, what a horrible double standard where if you're a drug dealer, but you're you know A middle-class white guy then you're supposed to get off and but no way this guy Ross should do his time and this and that Because what a horrible double standard, but meanwhile virtually everyone arguing for Ross's freedom here are Would also argue to free any and everyone in all 50 states and all the federal pens who are in there for selling drugs Full stop.
Well, that's what that's a sick thing about double standard.
Nothing, you know, that's a sick thing about this Brianna Wu here.
Here's the tweet There's a sort of double standard where drug dealing doesn't seem to count when it's upper middle class white libertarians using Bitcoin Libertarianism is all about personal responsibility and what you just said.
We've been calling for an end to the drug war We've been calling for the prisons to be emptied.
What the hell is this woman talking about?
Who is she?
I mean, and there's no way I mean if she gets elected just Burn this thing to the ground She I mean, what is she talking about?
Who is she virtue signaling to I mean, this is not Liberals get to yeah, I mean how do people get I mean they either do not understand libertarianism or they are intentionally Representing it and I have a tendency to believe more more and more every day that it's a second one It's just crazy.
And you know somebody in the replies here Caroline D Says, oh, yeah, you're right a total a total double standard, isn't it?and then she has a list here and of course all of these people should be freed but Jan slump convicted as a drug dealer on Silk Road ten years another guy five another three another a Silk Road admin 17 months Another one who is accused of helping operate it released with no sentence Ross Albert double life without parole federal prison There's no parole plus 40 years So after he's lived and died two full lifetimes, then he'll do another 40 and then he'll be alright.
He'll be free sounds like a Pretty doubled standard there.
Well, I mean and and let's let's mention Chuck Schumer here, okay yeah, because he appointed this judge Judge Forrest up in New York and he his When this started all he kept was how I mean demonizing Bitcoin, you know saying oh, this is only I mean when you hear when you see people Online and anywhere saying that oh, this is only used for drug.
This is only used for drugs.
This is only used for illicit activity They're basically parroting what Chuck Schumer said at the time.
I mean it just just like Chuck She was a didn't Chuck Schumer was any one of the made his bones being a hawk about Waco.
Yeah, that's right He was the number one defender of the ATF and the FBI after the Waco massacre Yeah, this is this is an evil bastard who hates individual freedom I mean he just we The whole the whole way this country was started allegedly on live and let live I mean, it's just gone and people still defend it I just I have I mean cases like this if you just go and you you know And and the worst thing about this case is if you google Ross Albrecht Just Ross Albrecht the first the first tweet the first response the first The the first link that comes up is to that vice article about here's the transcript proving Ross Albrecht You know tried to hire tried to hire assassins to have people killed something that's been debunked and something that has been Proven to they had this information fed to them from fed to them from the courts because this was how this happened before the trial How are they releasing information before the trial?
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So screw them.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're horrible, man I always thought that thing was a CIA plot from the beginning.
Look at all their support for the Islamic State but anyway You know, I see here too that the defense was not allowed to argue or You know inform the jury, of course that the cops on the case were convicted Or were I guess at that point charged?
With with crimes on the case So, you know take that into account everyone when you're sitting on a jury that the prosecutor and the judge are Necessarily conspiring to keep information from if you don't see reasonable doubt It's probably because they're lying and hiding it.
You should always acquit everyone for everything Yeah, it's it's so funny I had I Was talking to my chiropractor this morning and he got a jury summons and he was complaining about it and I sat there for ten Minutes just teaching him about jury nullification and telling him to get his ass in there.
Yeah Yeah, we set these people free and you know what as long as we're on that I know somebody who years ago Did jury duty and the case was a cocaine charge and The whole room full of people were being charged and convicted.
I think they were all being prosecuted together and It was like one or two of them had some cocaine and everybody else in the room was being charged too because the law in Texas says there's no difference and so as this person explained to me We had to convict them Because you know the judge said that the law says that if they're in the same room and you believe that that much is proven and that there was cocaine there then That's enough and you have to follow the law and you have to convict and of course I screamed at this person that yeah, and if you voted to acquit what could the judge do to you?
Nothing at all.
All you had to do was just refuse to go along and That's it and you wouldn't even have to necessarily explain yourself or you know you're you could just say I'm not so convinced that they Were all in the room.
I don't know You don't have to go along.
That's the whole point of being a juror You know and and so here it completely innocent people never even mind the innocence of just having cocaine but people who didn't even have cocaine went to the penitentiary and And and we're sent there by decent good people who would never harm anyone If the government didn't put them in that position to do this and yet the excuse was yeah, but I had to and Yet, but what would you say to anyone who ever heard anyone and use that excuse?
Oh, yeah, were they holding a gun to your head and forcing you and the answer is absolutely not But anyway, yeah, and the whole thing about a jury of your peers Yeah, I know there's a bunch of cops wives and yeah a jury of my peers would be 12 libertarians at work on cars, right?
Yeah I'm not gonna get a jury.
I'm not gonna get a jury of my peers I'm gonna get a bunch of people who don't want to be there.
We're too and who are all immediate relatives of Government employees or government employees themselves.
Yeah, a jury of my peers Yeah, or or regular people that were too stupid to get out of it who just want to go home and they'll do anything They'll do anything To speed up the process so that they can go home and it doesn't and your life doesn't matter because obviously You're probably a criminal if you're being brought up on charges Anyway, and that's just the way that that's just the way people are brainwashed in this society You know, it's the whole the whole thing about how you and the diffusion of responsibility to will the 11 other jurors agreed with me So when it's not my fault That's why I'm the kind of person you want on a jury because I'll be I'll be glad to go up against 11 other people in that room and I'll turn them around.
Yeah Because I'm a stubborn son of a bitch.
So but um, yeah, I mean this is you know to go back to Ross I mean, I've never I've never seen anything like this There was another there was one other thing.
I wanted to bring up and it was That there was there's another case I mean if people just so people don't Believe that that this this is like a one-off.
There was a guy in Jersey named Isaac Wright jr He was wrongfully convicted of being a drug kingpin in Newton Jersey and got life in prison in 1991 He basically during the appeal process Got the equivalent of an undergraduate degree in law and he educated himself He got exonerated on all the charges when he got out.
He went to law school got his degree came back and prosecute and and Got the cops and the judge locked up that put him in prison turned out that there was a conspiracy against him Conspiracy against him Everybody was conspiring in that room the prosecutor when they went after him He ran to Vegas when they found him in a hotel room before they could arrest him He put a gun to his head and killed himself.
Huh?
Happy ending.
That's great.
Yeah, and you know, so this is so So this is not a one-off in Ross's case and by the way Ross was charged with being a kingpin and a kingpin is an automatic life sentence without parole He was a kingpin for being the admin on a website Yeah Sounds right It's just I mean this this is this is not a legal system This is I call it the just a system if you're not one of them.
You're screwed Yeah here on that Brianna woo demon lady In the comments somebody says yeah, but they were trafficking slaves on there.
Is there anything to that?
No, I mean again even I'm not necessarily buying that that would have been his responsibility anyway But is that true that human beings were bought and sold on?
Because I've heard of that happening on the dark web but on the Silk Road man's no, it's just it's There's nothing to any of that.
I mean, there's no I mean how about the buying and selling of Hitmen for hire to kill people.
I mean, I know that's one of the bogus charges against him that he personally did that But what about hey, I need to hire someone to kill my ex-wife or whatever Is that going on there too?
There were stories that would people would put up ads like that But then the admins would take them down immediately, you know stuff like I mean it when you when you open up What you know what in other words you can do that on eBay too, and it would get taken down to yeah Freedom is freedom is dangerous You know when you open up when you open when you open it up and say look there's only you know We only have a couple rules here.
But you know, I mean, it's true.
I mean, I've been on I've I've sold guns on Craigslist Okay I've actually sold guns on Craigslist before they cracked down on that and I wasn't supposed to And if anybody because you're violating their terms of service But not the law because that's just a private to private sale the gun show loophole, right?
Yeah.
Yeah the gun show loophole Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I violated their terms of service But one time I put one up on there and it got taken down within 30 seconds because that's what they do Normally, it would never stay up there longer than an hour.
Mm-hmm, you know, so I mean you you could The person who's running the site can't be responsible for everything But now they have the new laws about with the FOSTA that came out FOSTA and SESTA They came out earlier this year, which targeted back page About human traffic another whenever they want to demonize anybody there's human trafficking involved you know and it basically says now if you own a website and Somebody puts up something on your website that causes somebody harm.
You're held accountable, too So it's like I mean, why even have why even have a website to do anything anymore?
It's a it's a sell anything anymore where there's an open an open bizarre kind of website I mean your normal there are websites now that have that are just for your neighborhood where you can sell stuff in your neighborhood Oh somebody puts something up on there for five minutes and it doesn't get taken down and then a crime is committed or something the Person who put up this website and running this local website can be charged as a you know With the same kind of charges and murder or whatever happens and I mean if this is just it's maniacal it's it's bait I mean Anyone who believe anyone who believes that we live in a free society is they should you should just really have your head examined I mean You can't even walk down the if you walk down the street and a cop tells you stop and you know You haven't done anything wrong and you don't stop they can kill you Because you don't listen to him This is I mean this is it's a police state and people do and people don't want to don't want to realize that because they They think oh, I live in the freest country in the world.
I Was in a country last year where I didn't see a cop for 10 days And they have to murder they had two murders last year it's like come on people.
Yeah when I was 15 Punk rocker on the drag Handed me a piece of paper.
I still have it here hanging on my wall.
It's a global police 2,000 with an army of black clad stormtroopers and black helicopters and it says fight back while you still can and I took him up on that.
You know what?
I think that's a good idea.
And yeah, yeah, it didn't work and now it's too late Yeah, I'm way past too late.
I mean you think about the number of laws the number of violations of human rights by this government in You know the last 25 years Since he gave me that thing and not to mention after nine after 9-eleven now local law enforcement can use Can use federal laws that were used or supposed to be used to prevent terrorism as an excuse for so many different things right, so it's I mean if Consent of the governed right?
Yeah at all that old chestnut Well, and then again, they probably do have it if it just takes a 51% majority Like you said people still believe the flag is still red white and blue.
So what's your problem?
You know considering how much blood it spills.
It should just be red.
Yeah, exactly But Yeah, I tell you, you know I'm always reminded to this Carol Quigley quote from tragedy and hope where he says the only reason that we let there be two Parties one to supposedly represent the interests of the liberals and the other the conservatives And so the American people can ironic quotes throw those rascals out every eight or even four years if necessary without ever leading to a substantial shift in policy because the consensus is this is what our mandate is and of course funny because he describes the mandate as you know global hegemony and Central banking and all these things not one of the things that he lists are actual constitutional mandates for this government whatsoever But that's the way it has to be and and it works so well that you have You know people who are enraged enough to start a war ah Placated and then we switch back again Vote the bums out.
Well, how did they get in there in the first place?
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean come on you just you get to You get to select who goes up there and who's the new you know?
Who's the new face to carry carry on the same old same old and we finally get an outsider in there?
And what's the outsider about him is he loves cops even more than any other president ever has so Worships, I'm told it's all you know tells them to they don't have to be so nice when they're When they're putting people in the squad car, you don't have to worry about but they're you know cheer for that, too Yeah, little police brutality.
All right, screw you civil rights laws and whatever Yeah, we we can get very we can get very hyperbolic on online you know talking about how these people are bootlickers and how they're how they're brainwashed, but I mean things like that watching that rally is I mean, what else can you call it?
I mean you're these these aren't independent thinkers These aren't people who are you know laying down in bed at night and thinking to themselves, huh?
Huh?
I don't you know, we don't seem to be as free as the founders, you know had you know envisioned And promised anyway.
Yeah So, I mean, it's just not or you know, what or even just hey man think about all those people in prison I saw someone the other day Tweeted out.
Hey fun fact, there's no air conditioning in virtually all Texas jail and prison cells While it's a hundred and eight degrees outside and there's no they can't crack a window.
There's no ventilation.
There's no fans There's nothing.
I mean, we don't even know how many prisoners died of heatstroke this week, but I bet it's a few and But we're just supposed to not care about that not think about that out of sight out of mind if you're in prison You must belong there because if the DA and the judge agreed They stacked on so many charges that you had no choice, but to plead guilty then screw you That's it that these are our friends and neighbors and brothers and cousins locked in cages probably half of them for non-violent crimes and Being treated worse than you would treat an animal Yeah, when when Trump when Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio one of the most god-awful Reprehensible disgusting human beings that's ever walked the earth People were applauding him for doing it.
Yeah, people were applaud I mean this guy would this guy had a county jail Yeah, not a prison where people have been convicted the local lockup while you're awaiting trial.
Yeah yeah, this was a this was a county jail where I mean women were forced to give birth while handcuffed to a bed or Had a Suicide rate one and a half times what a prison would be not a county jail what a prison would be I mean and and people and people were clapping that the Trump pardoned this guy.
Yeah Well, he's just you know persecuting Mexicans.
Why do you care so much about them?
Well screw the Fourth Amendment pull people out of cars and and demand their papers.
Let me see it papers I think I've heard that in history before yeah Well, and you know what you and I are old enough to remember that but you know Some people listening might not know that this is as we were, you know raised in the 20th century This is the hallmark of totalitarianism Show us your papers.
Yeah, and you know think about it.
You can't go anywhere without ID I mean, what do you think the whole thing about you know, I D in?
60 year old people for alcohol What's that all about?
What why do you have to show your ID who what do you what do you what are you proving?
You're not proving your age because you can look at people and see what their age is So, what are you proving by showings of papers?
Yep Well, and of course, it's not you proving it's them proving to you that you are not free That you are subject to the whims of power to the whims of men not law And That is what it is when I when I talk to people you can you can talk to people that you know and get them To tell you that the FBI is evil and that the CIA is evil But you can never you can't get a lot of them to admit that local law enforcement is evil because my uncle's a cop I know a cop who lives next door to me.
He's a good guy Really you go to work with him.
You see what he does on a daily basis These people just like you're always saying if if there's such a thing as good cops There wouldn't be such a thing as bad cops So how come all we hear all the time is about bad apples here and bad apples there.
How could that even happen?
I forgot if this Doug Stanhope or somebody said what we wouldn't put up with that standard in our airline pilots That like well, you know, you have some bad apples, but most of them are okay We have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to bad apple airline pilots, but our local security forces Yeah, yeah, sometimes they murder children or whatever.
But anyway Use dogs for target practice, but that's cool You know, I mean, hey, you know the he was fearing for his life and he had to get home to his family Those old chestnuts.
Well, in fact as long as we're at her There's this the story from the other day where in Silver Lake in North LA Guy was running from the cops ran into a trader Joe's to try to take some hostages and the cops just opened fire and they killed the manager of the store and You know the AP rushes to spin it for them that the bullet a cop's bullet killed her But we don't know if maybe the hostage taker stole the bullet from the cop and killed her with it Maybe I don't know Can to beat the English language to death to figure out a way to frame this where they are not culpable for killing a person someone who their job is protecting supposedly I mean, we know that that's really not true But that's the the veneer on the thing and the cops response was oh, yeah Well, you know, it's sad, but we did what we had to do to protect the public I mean, yeah, you know except the lady that we killed but the rest of them though, and then that's it They're not even going to investigate.
There's not even a hint of a question of a possibility That there could ever be accountability for the cop who killed the lady.
That's it.
Screw you if you don't like it In the very first podcast I ever did which was about the police episode number one One of the first things I brought up was the Empire State Building shooter back I think was 2011 and how he stepped out stepped out of a car killed shot the person that he was, you know that he was intending to kill and then he went on the run and two police officers went after him got him down a street and They unloaded their magazines.
They unloaded 16 shots one hit them and they hit nine bystanders.
I Mean and they did how many total days in jail or prison for that?
They didn't I'm pretty sure they probably Probably got a medal because they they got the guy Yeah, and then I forgot now did they kill the any of the nine that they shot no Thankfully, thankfully, thankfully, they were all just wounded.
But yeah, that must have been a great day Just walk, you know walking around on Fifth Avenue around 34th Street and all of a sudden I catch a catch a bullet Yeah, and of course, you know these highly trained Security forces it goes without saying that it's perfectly legit for them to be in a state of complete panic and terror And fear for them to shoot whoever they want all the time But if they're shooting at you You don't have the right to be afraid or to react in any way other than complete and total submission to them If they pull a gun on you You have to they they can fear for their life and shoot you But you have to be completely calm cool and collected while a guns being pointed at you Yeah, and while they're screaming at you to the top of their adrenaline back voice, you know, really?
I mean really and who who who who desires a job where where you're basically where your Basic job is to raise your voice to other adults and rifle through their property.
I Who wants that job?
Come on, I don't people.
I don't want that job.
I I don't I don't like people enough to want to deal with them It's I don't mean that it's just that I just people need to be I want to leave people alone because I want to be Left alone.
Why would I desire that job?
I mean who desires that job man?
It's so And then, you know to bring it back to Ross, I mean these people frame they basically framed him and they're in they're in prison and The people who Frank are the people who are responsible for him being in prison are in prison themselves due to Activities that were done within the case and the investigation.
Yeah, and he's just don't give a damn Turn around and set him free, but no No, the judge and she's retiring at the end of the year too.
So, you know, yeah on your dime Yep, and she will um You know Chuck.
I'm sure Chuck Chuck Schumer will have a spot for her and you know in his for life Position that he has down there that he that he can't get voted out of his wonderful system of democracy.
Yeah Yeah, well, all right.
Let's leave it at Chuck Schumer.
Thanks, man Thanks a lot Scott.
Talk to you later.
Appreciate it.
All right, you guys.
No, wait, you still there?
Tell me how can people find out more about Ross join the free Ross campaign?
I know there's a change org petition and all this stuff.
Yeah, if you if you go to Twitter and you go to Free Ross, which is Lynn Albrecht his mom's site.
They have a link to The change org position or you can just I'm sure if you google change org Ross Albrecht petition I mean, this is basically it's the last thing is to the last straw is to draw attention to this as much as possible because all the all of the The legal all of the legal means have been exhausted So basically it's going to take a pardon or it's going to take clemency in in order for Ross to see the light of day again, and so yeah the free Ross Albrecht change org Petition and yeah, I mean that's basically all all we can do go to free Ross org to to find more information about About Ross and to really look at what a travesty this is All right, man.
Thank you again, dude.
All right, man.
Thank you.
All right, you guys that's man's Raider He hosts free man beyond the wall which we feature at the Libertarian Institute and go there and you can check out his recent interview of The great Lynn Albrecht, she's a really nice lady.
I met her on the Tom Woods cruise last year and She's a really great person.
It's really sad to see what's going on here, but Good stuff.
All right you guys.
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