All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show.
I am the Director of the Libertarian Institute, Editorial Director of Antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and I've recorded more than 5,000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at scotthorton.org.
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All right, you guys, introducing Ryan Dawson from Anti-Neocons, the Anti-Neocons Report.
Welcome back to the show.
How you doing?
Been a while.
I'm all right.
Long time.
I'm going through RONA right now and a lot of censorship, but the good news, we've had some good news this week, too, with Ghislaine Maxfield going to prison and withdrawing some troops from Germany and other things, trying to keep the ups and downs together.
Yeah.
Well, that's good.
I hadn't seen that they actually removed the troops from Germany yet, so that's a nice note.
But, yeah, so I got this note from you that said that you'd been kicked off of Patreon this time.
And I know that for as long as I've known you, which is about 15 years or something, that you're always getting deplatformed from something or another, usually YouTube, I guess, but you always find a way to get reinstated somehow or another.
And usually I think you're up against the Zionists accusing you of anti-Semitism is really the root of it.
But this time, do I get it right that you've crossed the social justice leftists on the recent debates about race and the riots and everything?
That's what I thought it was.
And you're right.
Like most of the time I get canned and then I do my appeals.
And if I can get hold of a human being to actually look at my content, they go, oh, you're not breaking any rules.
And they reinstate me.
But I am.
It does remove me for months and I lose lots of revenue.
But this year, you know, I lost PayPal in November.
They wouldn't even give me a reason.
And then with Patreon, the initial reason they gave me was that was the SJW woke cult come after me.
But now they've given me three different reasons because a lot of my I'm a Patreon refugee.
So my patrons are writing them because they actually charged everybody for July, even though we only had two days of July's content.
So I told them, don't don't let them take your money.
And so I have I've got three different reasons that they've given.
And people have screenshot this and given them to me.
One was accusing me of using racial slurs about the black community, which I never did.
Another was religious bigotry, which I don't even talk about religion.
And another one was pornography with child porn and bestiality, which I've also never done.
So they can't even make up a good reason.
The real reason is probably the same reason as always, all the anti-Zionism.
But it may it may also be the woke cult, because I have been writing about that as well.
And that is a very taboo topic.
But I've always taken the position I mean, I interviewed Will Grigg and others, too, and Larkin Rosen and talking about police abuse longer than Black Lives Matter has existed.
But I think by targeting some of the liberal sacred cows, which does not make me a conservative, by the way, but by going after some of the policies that I think are detrimental to minorities, that's an unallowable answer.
Racism is the only answer allowable.
So you can't look at any policies that are detrimental to to minority groups.
And that's got me in trouble.
Well, we're certainly at the height of crazy of the cancel culture now, where a trucker was cracking his knuckles and it looked like he was doing the A.O.
K. symbol, which, according to a 4chan joke, is a white supremacist symbol.
And so some leftist took a picture of the guy cracking his knuckles and tattletailed on him to his boss.
And the guy got fired.
And he is a Mexican.
Yeah, he's Hispanic, too.
So obviously, the things are at the higher of video games.
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That gives me a whole new appreciation for William Jefferson Clinton here where he just decided you know what, screw it.
I'm just, go ahead and film me.
I don't care.
Let's go.
Take me to the island and just, he knows exactly what's going on here.
They had him when he was governor in Arkansas actually, so I think because he was so compromised is why he was pushed to become president, but that's my conspiracy.
But I've talked to his secret service workers.
Wait, what makes you say that Mossad had him back then?
Is that what you mean by they?
The Israelis had him back in Arkansas?
Yeah, they had him back then in Arkansas when Hillary and Bill were part of Iran-Contra, which was a jointly conducted covert intelligence act between both the U.S. and Israel, right?
So the Israelis started selling contraband airplane parts and stuff to Iran.
And a good book on that is Robert Perry's October Surprise gets all into that portion of it.
And then you have a couple of different things going on in the United States where they needed to train pilots, which is the whole MENA saga.
And they also are running guns in one direction and drugs in the other because Ali North and them couldn't find enough ways to launder money.
There was no explainability for where, how do they buy all this?
And it was like, oh, it's the narcotics trade, same crap that's going on in Syria.
And so the Clintons were involved in both the pilot training and the drug running.
And Barry Seal, who was a mentor, David Ferry, these guys were very much into the women.
And so were both of the Clintons.
So they had them honey trapped a long time ago.
What's funny is that was a crazy conspiracy theory as hell until they made a Tom Cruise movie about it.
And now everybody knows that.
Everyone kind of knows that because the Tom Cruise movie did told a lot more than I thought it was going to.
I think I saw you in DC.
I hadn't seen it yet.
It was on the plane.
But my audio is so bad.
I didn't mess with it.
But I watched it on the way back.
And when that scene where he's like on the phone with Governor Clinton and they like let him go.
Yeah.
I can't believe.
Yeah.
I met Terry Reed.
Terry Reed and his wife at some militia gun rally type thing in Denver back in what, 98, I guess.
Yeah.
His book Compromise, I think it's page 63, where he talks about the meeting with Ali North and they're writing stuff on the napkins and Barry and it's just all like they're eating oysters somewhere.
And it shows like, wow, they really weren't good at this.
Like how to launder money at all.
And narcotics became their go to thing.
And that's part of the reason for occupying Afghanistan for so long is the heroin trade facilitates sort of a black market revenue for all these sponsorships around the world where it's Al-Shabaab or Al-Sham, et cetera, from Syria to Somalia.
That's how they're financing them in great part is through the narcotics trade.
So if you could end the war in Afghanistan, it would actually really reduce the explainability of revenue for ISIS and other groups.
They ought to end it anyway, because it's immoral and pointless.
But I know you've written a really great book called The Definitive Book on Afghanistan.
I hope everybody gets that.
But that is that is another wing of the narcotics trafficking.
People have to realize how that relates to terrorism, because without it, they can't explain how they're buying TOW missiles and all these wonderful toys, as the Joker would say, because they don't they're not they don't have manufacturing.
They don't have ISIS factories building missiles, you know, or how they buy all these Toyota trucks.
Well, they got oil sheiks in Saudi and UAE, especially to just you just reassign a bank account full of a billion dollars and just hand it over to Al-Nusra.
That's pretty easy.
Yeah, when they can, I mean, that's kind of the UAE's honey jarring is how they partly finance some of the 9-11 hijackers.
But yeah, no, there's no question that every faction with any power and influence in Afghanistan is making money in heroin.
All of them.
Oh, yeah.
Every governor on every side of every fight, you know.
Yeah, it's not and it won't.
It's like you can't get your foot in the door to even start talking about that or you get the platform.
Yeah.
Well, so I don't I don't even know this time what the excuse is, because I've been given so many different reasons.
But the people that were celebrating me getting kicked off had also done the same thing when they had me thrown off PayPal.
I was thrown off PayPal twice.
I was able to call them and reason with them and get back on.
I think it was back in 2014, the first time I was thrown off.
But this time it's just there is no one there are completely unreachable at this point.
I'm like, what am I even being accused of?
I go, you're breaking these rules.
Like, which rule am I supposed to have broken and what did I do?
It doesn't matter.
There is no recourse that you can do.
And so I so I switched.
You know, I had paid, you know, I always have redundancy.
Well, I get kicked off that I go to Subscribestar.
Well, that's not available in Japan.
So all I have left is a membership on my website until they get rid of that, too, I suppose.
And it's really bad timing.
I got another baby on the way and I'm just trying to fight against all these evil things.
And well, listen, tell us about the website that you do have and whatever merch you got for sale.
And I do have people need to know that help you get through this, because I think they'll probably, you know, you'll end up working it out here before too long, probably.
I think like no one believed them.
Like what?
All my patrons have been watching me for years and like he doesn't do any of that or reading.
And so, you know, what you could do, too, is just call them racist.
Go look, man.
I'm an American Indian.
And if you want me to play that card, I'm going to slam the hell out of you with it.
I think I'm like I was like the second most prominent American Indian on Patreon.
Probably, probably definitely the top 10.
Yeah.
I hate playing the race card, but I'll do it for my family because I got to do something.
But it's crazy to, you know, they yeah, it's.
I am usually allowed to talk about things because of that card.
You know, like, oh, I feel like, you know, the entire concept of this, you know, Thomas Jefferson said speaking of people being canceled, Jefferson said that air of opinion is fine and is perfectly tolerable as long as reason is left free to combat it.
That's it.
So even if you were what they say you are, well, not the child porn stuff, but what they accuse you of, of being a racist or racial list or whatever kind of thing, all of that is discussable.
And anybody with who is not a dumb ass can beat a racialist in an argument in front of everyone.
And then we all grow and move on from there.
There's a lot of dumb asses.
It's a problem because a lot of people who can't be a racialist in an argument because they're there.
I think it's because he was Pinkerton that said this, a scientist, he was saying, because these like very tabi, taboo ideas aren't allowed to be discussed when someone gets confronted with them.
Like, let's say the most militant flat earther, you know, he's got all his facts, whatever.
They get a little overwhelmed and they don't know what the antidote is because they've never been allowed to have a discussion.
So when someone comes at somebody, it was like, oh, blacks are 13% of the country and 55% of violent crime, blah, blah.
They don't know what to say to that because they've never been allowed to have that discussion.
But if you had free discussion, all that would have been stomped out long time ago.
There are lots of explanations for that are not biological for why this statistic or that.
But you're not allowed to have these discussions.
And when I try to, I get people mad at me.
I'm like, well, go listen to it because I own them.
The fact that they're toppling statues of Thomas Jefferson because slavery, when he ended the transatlantic slave trade and he almost ended all slavery west of the Appalachian, but that failed by one vote in Congress.
So Jefferson almost ended that back then and tried to.
And he wasn't there.
He was a hypocrite enough, but it was his ideology that banished at least legal slavery from the face of the earth.
You know, that was the whole thing, the transatlantic slave trade successfully, but he almost ended it for the other half of the United States and not just west of the Mississippi, but west of the Appalachians.
But although, you know, I've read a I've read a letter by Madison saying this is great now that we've banned it.
The value of my slaves is going to go way up.
It's just like a protection racket, you know, kind of thing.
Anyway, either way, Jefferson wasn't Madison, though.
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No, that's right.
His uncle had lost three children and three wives to childbirth.
They had aglomiglia in their family.
Jefferson's father had that.
Peter Jefferson, he was an actual giant.
And so he had had he had sex with a black woman who had already had three children successfully.
And so Jefferson's cousins were mulatto and kind of like Ben Franklin.
He started out racist.
And but the more exposure he had and like teaching slaves to read and things, he reasoned his way out of it and said, hey, they're they're just like us.
If you educate and so early Jefferson, you can find quotes and stuff of him having these opinions.
But those changed as he got older and had more interactions.
He wasn't even with his slaves.
Most of the time he was in Williamsburg and there in Monticello.
He was trying to pay off the debts for all his sister's marriages.
He had lots of problems.
But even so, even if he was like a hardcore weapon, slave master, whatever, it's a prominent figure.
You're going to get rid of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights because it was written by slave owners.
Like people can have a bad opinion about something and good opinions about other things.
And history is history.
Nobody's going to meet the purity test.
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Well, no matter how important I get with his cousins, you know, like, yeah, Socrates like little boys.
It's but you cannot negate everything else.
Martin Luther King didn't like homosexuals.
I'm not going to.
That doesn't matter to me.
I was like, OK, they're wrong on that.
But look at all the things they're right on.
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Well, and as far as Jefferson goes, it's the self-evident, so I don't even have to argue with you because I'm just saying so, that everybody is born free.
Not that the king doesn't have a divine right, just that every single body else does, too.
How do you like that?
And that are that doctrine of natural rights, you know, is the basic theory of equality of humanity in the last 250 years and 300 years that has changed everything from simply us versus them everywhere in the world.
You know, he was the one who said, I don't care if my next door neighbor has one God or ten.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
That's brand new, really cool ways of looking at things compared to what you believe different than me.
Which was the typical way throughout the history of humanity.
That actually was said by a TikToker and Twitterer, an Asian woman from Harvard said, if you say all lives matter, I'll stab you and you're bleeding out.
I'll show you a paper cut and say all cuts matter.
And she got she lost the job because of that, because, you know, when you say you're going to stab people, that is illegal.
But now that was just a figure of speech, too.
She shouldn't have been canceled because obviously she's making a metaphor about the paper cut versus a stab wound.
Right.
Right.
I agree.
She shouldn't have been canceled because she wasn't really going to stab people.
That's not a threat.
A threat is, look, I'll stab you.
I'll stab you.
And then I'll compare that to a paper cut is an analogy that was an analogy.
But she said plenty other things before and after that that were a little bit worse.
But I still don't think she was really going to stab anybody.
But I feel like they're a little sensitive because there are a lot of these like shooters and stuff really did post everything they're about to do on Facebook.
And so or wherever, you know.
But they don't ban Facebook.
They ban bitch.
It's like, why?
So they I understand, like, you know, error on the side of caution or whatever.
But this girl wasn't, you know, well, and look, I am totally for shunning.
I mean, I think that, for example, some of the people that you pal around with who shows you've been going on and things like that to me are just absolutely beyond the pale.
I'd never have anything to do with or take, for example, someone who on the spectrum, the political spectrum would would be seemingly more acceptable.
But is a total fraud like Marcy Wheeler, who spent three years making so much money pushing this Russiagate fraud?
Well, I mean, if you look at Twitter, all the cool leftists treat her like garbage.
And when they don't just completely ignore her because she's just an absolute disgrace and nobody ever says her name, Marcy Wheeler, without talking about what a disgrace she is and how pathetic she is.
And so that's good.
I'm all about making her an unperson in every way.
She deserves to be dehumanized.
What an idiot.
Marcy.
But she shouldn't be kicked off a Twitter and kicked off a blog spot and kicked off her ISP and kicked off a PayPal.
She should just everybody should just shame her so that she feels shame.
That's good.
And ignore her away is really the best thing to do, I think.
Everyone's got a right to shun whoever they see fit.
I'm OK with arguing with them as well.
Yeah, me, you know, I'm OK with you arguing with them at least.
Yeah.
As long as you're good at arguing with them.
But if I feel like I've got a proven enough, long enough track record, like, OK, I ain't this.
Now I'm going to go fight with these people.
But I was so looking forward to your debate with Crystal and I was he's one of the worst people in the world.
And because of covid and all, it didn't happen and I wouldn't have been able to travel for the same reasons.
But that needs to happen.
Yeah.
No.
And you know what?
You're right.
I mean, in moral equivalence, is he a less worse person than David Duke?
Not really.
I think he's probably worse because the premise of the whole debate would be we're gentlemen in suits and ties having a reasonable discussion and nothing worse than that.
And so, yeah, same difference.
You know, as long as it's really clear like this is a debate and whatever, you know, Michael Ledeen's been on it.
I've argued with communists, feminists, whatever, and racists.
But if I thought, OK, this person is never going to listen, then I wouldn't do it.
But I'm also kind of talking to their audience.
And a lot of them wrote me mails and stuff like, man, I had not heard that explanation before.
And I got what I'm most proud of is that I got a lot of these like teenagers and 20 year olds that are about to fall into that and ruin their lives to turn around and go pump the brakes on that.
But I feel that there are a lot of kids, basically, I mean, I think teenagers are kids.
A lot of white kids, especially they get suckered into that because right now in certain schools they're just being told you're evil and you're, you know, like as if as if all the bad things that happened in the past or some product of biology, they weren't mostly governments doing these things.
And they gravitate to these people because they don't know there's nobody telling them the opposite side.
No one's saying, no, you're not evil.
They're not seeing it.
And I want to just try and show these people, like, no, there's a lot of things in between, you know, rejecting people being racist to you and becoming a racist yourself.
Right.
So I'm hoping to reach some of those people so they don't go down that way.
It's someone has to argue with these people like Chris, like that, that debate with you and Chris.
So because we all know how it would go.
That would all you have to do is like, go see this.
You know, this is every neocon talking point taken down.
The speech you did, I think was like nine or 10 years ago about the Iran nuclear bomb propaganda.
Yeah.
I mirrored that.
And it's it still has over a hundred thousand something views.
And that's with, you know, over four times of me leaving and getting it back again and then having to unlist stuff.
I can link to that now because all the propaganda never changed.
It's like it's like I said it yesterday because it's all the same excuses.
Six months away.
It's that they don't they lie to people about enrichment like that.
You need over 90 percent to make a bomb, not three and 20 for medical isotopes.
That's all in like a little seven minute speech.
So sometimes we get hit those home runs.
And some of my debates with with well, I won't name certain people, but with, you know, bad guys are just ruin them.
Like after that debate, they were done.
All their points were destroyed and they're over with.
So but some people, you just got to shun, too, because they're just never going to listen and and their followers don't care.
So that, you know, I get that as well.
Yeah.
No.
And that's important, too, that you're not wasting your time if you're going to go.
You know, I hate to see you, though, which, you know, like, you know, I think we talked before, though, about, you know, the more you're shunned and de-platformed yourself, the more you end up with essentially no one else to pal around with.
No one else's show.
I think you mentioned about.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's true, too, in a sense, like I was so desperate at some point.
It's not like I didn't email everyone else first.
I went down the list of, you know, all the way to the darker area to try and get help because I like I lost my PayPal and dah, dah, dah.
And they're like, yeah, because they think they're going to win that debate or whatever until it happens.
Yeah.
And and some of them, they're not all like bad on everything.
They're anti-war and probably only because they don't want refugees in Europe.
But you know, against the wars, against the war, my book, but I'm trying to bring them over.
But I'll tell you, you end up.
Yeah.
You take it as a win.
You know, it's like, OK, whatever.
If you'll get if you'll oppose the war and just maybe be quiet about all this racial crap or whatever.
And just me being me is being an American Indian and going in there and they realize like, OK, you guys, you're one of the good ones or whatever.
They can make excuses, but sometimes they just come around.
So I don't know.
It's difficult thing.
I'm like, oh, I'm the platform anyway.
So that the real threat is, well, I don't want to argue with him because I'll get the platform.
Well, what about the others, too?
Right.
I mean, if if you end up essentially like you can only hang around other outlaws, then, you know, you're going to be like the people you're in prison with kind of thing is just like with.
Yeah.
And so a lot of these people may be deplatformed for no reason, end up the kind of people who might actually deserve it later.
You know, I also think people getting deplatformed for no reason actually makes them like, oh, what are you going to say about me?
Well, I will become that or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I'm trying to say.
I'm saying.
Yeah.
I think Phil Duralde got a little bit of that.
Like he got kicked out of the American conservative and then just doubled down at a spite or whatever.
But I still like all his earlier work and everything.
And he said he shouldn't have been taken off the American conservative like nothing I saw anyway.
Well, it was.
But yeah, one that that one big piece did cross the line.
And the thing is, the article itself was almost fine, but the headline was horrible.
And then at the very end, there was one really bad paragraph at the end there where you have to be labeled before they go on TV.
They should have to be labeled like bottles of rat poison or something like that.
But I don't know if I would have kicked him out of attack for that.
But I would have certainly said, geez, Phil.
But then you're right that after that, it was like, OK, fine.
Now it's on.
Right.
Right.
I'm going to UNS or whatever.
Yeah.
It's.
Yeah.
I mean, some people like I've been deplatformed.
I'm trying to find my way out through A&C report dot com, by the way, if somebody wants to become a subscriber, leave a tip.
And we also have entropy on YouTube is kind of like the workaround for super chats.
But there are others like Dr. Shoe who I wrote about recently.
They're losing their academic positions because they they don't automatically go with the conclusions that the woke cult wants.
And like scientists, like people, not even political, are losing their jobs.
People are losing their their jobs because their spouse like the wrong thing on Facebook.
I mean, it's it's really bad.
And there's just a gang on Twitter that just goes around, find something they don't like and cancel it.
And they're like, let's all gang up on so and so next week.
And so they're just going after conservatives, libertarian like Daniel McAdams was thrown off of Twitter because he called Sean Hannity retarded.
Yeah.
And he was not making fun of people with a mental disorder or what he punished on Hannity, which is different, although it sort of sounds the same.
Yeah.
And but that wasn't really why they got rid of him.
No, of course.
And like you said, they got rid of him because he's good on Syria.
So they got rid of him.
Exactly.
They removed their press TV off of YouTube days before they killed Soleimani.
So that preempted that it wasn't a you know, I mean, that wasn't a reaction that went back to the Bolton group from May of 2019.
So they planned that for many months before they killed him.
And press TV is just press TV.
I mean, yeah, it's Iranian state channel, but it's never it's just news.
They removed it.
They removed their British channel.
They removed their everything off of YouTube.
And that was that.
So much of this does come from the Russiagate scare, right?
That was where they started with the fake news and the racist and the level of panic that oh, my God.
Well, I got Mike Flynn and Brad Hoff, who's a he's been on your show from the Levant Report.
Yeah.
Good.
I think it's the first person that leaked that DIA or well, like didn't leak like he wrote it.
Yeah.
I think Judicial Watch got it.
And he found it and wrote up.
Yeah.
Right.
And it was the head of the DIA at that time talking about how his principality, Syria and yada yada.
And so I remember being I was I was speaking in Sydney.
I was supposed to speak at West Sydney University, but they canceled me because I couldn't pay for security.
I'm like, why do I need security?
So I end up talking at the Palestinian Convention Center instead.
And I in that talk, I talked about how Flynn was part of the Trump administration.
I was excited about that.
It wasn't like days later that, no, he wasn't.
It was because of the Russiagate.
And the real story behind that was, yeah, he did call the Russians, but he also called everybody else in the Security Council.
And why?
To get them to change their vote on the on Israel's settlements.
And he was approached by Kushner, who was approached by Netanyahu himself.
So that was the Israeli gate, not Russiagate, because the Israelis are the ones that got in the call to try and get the Russians to change their vote.
And of course, the Russians told him no.
So far from them giving him marching orders, they were refusing a favor asked from him.
So, yeah, everybody said no.
And it's really it's like projection, because the Democrats are always guilty of whatever they're accusing others of.
Like Biden.
Remember, when they wanted to impeach Trump, it was about these phone calls with Ukraine.
And then Joe Biden's on the phone with Yatsenik saying his quip pro quo, saying, all right, I'm glad you got rid of the prosecutor.
Here's your $5 billion.
Obama would never do it.
He was like, all those calls go through Biden.
Obama was smart enough to be like, I'm not talking to you on the phone.
I'm not getting into any of that.
Let Biden do that.
Well, we know from the Newland phone call before the coup that Biden was in on it.
He would get the vice president to come in here and glue this thing together.
And that kind of deal is right in the FDEU call, the famous call.
And I know he lost a child and Biden's had a rough life.
And so he really was setting up his remaining son.
It doesn't matter.
He's still nepotism.
And, you know, that's impeachable.
And the media doesn't seem interested in it at all.
Well, and his son blew all the money on crack and horrors.
I mean, you can't even make this stuff up.
He's cheating with his dead brother's widow.
And then he's cheating on her, too, with crack whores.
Well, with all the money that he got, a million dollars a year paid by the government of Ukraine to the son of the vice president, the sitting vice president.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, $80,000 a month, no show job.
The epitome of kleptocracy and nepotism.
And it doesn't seem to matter.
It didn't matter when they made slavery great again in Libya.
I mean, you could sell a person for $400 in Northern Africa, like slavery now, not back in Civil War times, but right, you know, in 2011, you could buy and sell people because of the State Department's toppling of Gaddafi for pre-crimes.
And there are 9.2 million slaves in Africa today when you include the forced prostitution and child soldiers and exploited labor.
And there's still, there's still reeling from the effects of the Biafran War in Nigeria.
And then there's still the civil wars in Ethiopia and Eritrea.
I mean, they lost millions of people from 2006 to now due to simple things and starvation and disease.
And it doesn't seem like Black Lives Matter to Black Lives Matter because it's really just a Marxist organization.
I mean, there are still slaves, human trafficking, child soldiers, so many problems.
Well, look, I mean, a major part of that is just like all Americans is they don't know anything about it at all.
I mean, all this stuff on the Congo, I think I've probably done two or three interviews on the Congo.
Maybe not even that.
In fact, off the top of my head, I can only think of one good interview I did with a guy from the Nation Magazine about the war in the Congo this whole time, because it's not explicitly an American war, although you probably know a lot more about it than I do and America's role in it than me.
And in fact, I think I do remember him explaining that America was involved in it in numerous ways, in fact.
But that's one that is totally obscure to people, too.
I was very lucky because Chinua Achebe, who wrote Things Fall Apart, he's a Igbo Nigerian.
His daughter, Nwando Achebe, was my African history teacher in college.
So I would meet with her after classes because I was very interested in it and became a drum master and all that.
And I have got, if you want to do a show on the Biafran war or any of that, I'll come back and give you an earful because it's something people need to know.
And I think they would be interested, especially when you can tie it into how it's affecting their wallet today and not just the morality of it, but the kleptocracies in Africa kind of get away with it by blaming everything on colonialism.
And it's sort of like Democratic mayors in the U.S. blaming everything on racism rather than their own policies.
And it's not an either or thing.
Colonialism was absolutely detrimental and is still reeling from the effects, but a lot of it is also domestic deputism, too.
It's like you can't get to that portion of it because, I don't know, racism or something.
Yeah, well, it's liberty that works.
We already know that.
Yeah, free markets are the way out.
That's what Botswana proved.
If you contrast Zimbabwe and Botswana, where you have Marxists on one side, where you end up with a trillion dollar bill, and Botswana became the fastest growing economy, not only in Africa, but the entire world.
And so those are the policies people ought to be looking at.
A hundred trillion dollar bill.
What do they do?
Well, I have one right here.
Exactly.
A hundred trillion dollar bill.
But their next door neighbors, they had like 12 miles worth of paved roads.
And that's it.
And it's landlocked.
It's got all the classic disadvantages, right, and yet has grown to a modern state.
And it's just as African and just as black and just as, you know, whatever, as everyone around them.
So I want to get back to what you say about the Black Lives Matter being a Marxist organization, which I'm sure is somewhat true, but you know, leftist means a lot of things to a lot of people and many of them don't know anything about economics at all.
And frankly, like as a libertarian and as an Austinite, I always have understood why a left winger would choose to be a left winger if that's what a right winger is and vice versa too.
I absolutely understand why a right winger would go, look, man, I must be a right winger because I sure as hell ain't one of them.
And so, you know, by default, if someone is a communist, I actually don't mind as sort of like we were talking about earlier, as long as they'll listen and we can still talk about things, then it's cool.
And I've known a lot of young leftists in this town who are very good people and, you know, certainly have people's best interests at heart and that kind of thing.
So I'm sure that there is a lot of Marxism to it.
But then, as you said, you've been sticking up for victims of police abuse who, yeah, primarily blacks because that's how it is for many years anyway.
So Derek Chauvin shot a Native American before he killed George Floyd.
I didn't know that.
No one cared.
Well, probably.
Well, it wasn't on film is my reason.
I don't think it's because people hate Indians.
I think it's because it wasn't on film and George Floyd was on film.
That's what I mean.
And even a lot of them that are on film, it doesn't come out until later.
This was the kind of thing that was on Twitter immediately because it was bystanders who filmed it rather than, you know, the body cams or something.
But if anybody subscribes to the Free Thought Project and looks at the Free Thought Project every day, every single day, they kill people every single day.
It's just in fact, today, just yesterday, there's today there's a story about a white guy in, I think, Fort Worth or Dallas who was having some kind of nervous breakdown and called the cops on himself.
Please help me.
I guess I need a ride home or some kind of thing.
And then once the cops got there, he started panicking and was like, please just let me go.
And so they tackled him and held him down.
And just like with George Floyd, it wasn't really the knee and the neck is the pressure on the back as he's laying prone.
And they just suffocated him to death.
And just yesterday, the judge ruled that, well, there's not another case that already says you're not allowed to suffocate somebody to death.
Another clearly established case.
So therefore, we won't clearly establish a new case now.
Case dismissed.
That's it.
They cannot be held accountable.
And a lot of our police force are trained by the Israelis, including like in in Minnesota.
There's no police academy, which is insane.
Yet they got trained by foreign nationals who are world renowned for what they do to Palestinians as well as African migrants in Israel that live in internment camps.
All right.
But so talk to me, though, about and there's the other Marxists.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot that they get right and that they get wrong.
And so that's what I want to hear you talk about.
Yeah.
It's a that's why we shouldn't slogan here.
I agree.
Black Lives Matter was at first to fight against police abuse.
If you go back to like Ferguson, that's how that's how it was marketed.
And that's what people believed.
And that was a good, legitimate cause.
And there are some that support Black Lives Matter who think that, well, I'm against police abuse and I think there's a disproportionate number of blacks being killed, shot, whatever.
And so they support Black Lives Matter.
That's some of it.
But I'm talking about the leadership of it.
And they're on, according to their own like official websites, etc.
It's very just Marxist antifa kind of rhetoric where it doesn't even really mention police abuse so much.
It's talking about defunding.
Well, that's not right.
I mean, part one, the whole the whole first part of it is about the cops and accountability.
It was.
But then the problem is there's 10 or 20 more parts where they just go on and on and on about they want everything under the sun.
Yeah, they did talk about police abuse, but that isn't the supposed to be.
That's what it's about.
Right.
Systemic racism and fighting cops, etc.
They're casting way too far of a net, clearly.
I mean, there's a lot of things in between stopping police abuse and just getting rid of police or defunding the police.
And there have been people like Senator Rand Paul and others that tried to get rid of qualitative immunity, get rid of red flag laws, no knock raids, asset forfeiture.
There's a lot of things I could do, but checklist of stuff I'd like to get rid of.
But they're like, no, just get rid of the cops, completely defund it.
Which, of course, is never going to happen.
And so you're just back at square one again.
Right.
That kind of anarchy is like you'd have to change a whole bunch of other things to before that would work.
And it's just it's unrealistic and it's off-putting.
And so when people see, well, I can't I'm a I can't even call the police like I think it's in Los Angeles.
They have a Karen law now.
I totally understand frivolous calls are bad, but that doesn't mean don't call at all.
Right.
And so who are you supposed to call when someone breaks into your house or something?
Well, I think without the cops, the free market would take care of it.
It would be fine.
But you're right that it certainly sounds crazy to regular people.
I'm talking about what the perception is.
I mean, you and I probably agree that everyone that stood outside their store with an AR-15, they didn't have broken windows and looted goods.
Everyone that relied on the government for protection lost everything.
Yeah.
I saw a thing where some skaters stood outside of the skate shop and just told the mob, oh, there ain't nothing in there.
It's already been robbed.
And they moved on to the next one.
We already got it.
Keep going.
Yeah.
So you protected the skate shop while everything else around was completely robbed.
I met Rodney Mullins last year.
Pretty cool.
You met Rodney Mullin?
I've met Tony Hawk, too.
I met Tony and Bucky at the Orlando Surf Expo back in the day.
That's cool.
I skated with Tony Hawk in 1988.
Oh, you got me beat on that when I was 12.
But I hadn't met him since then, though.
He's awesome.
And he's doing skate parks.
Well, you know, I mean, a little plug on Tony.
I'm trying to get him to build one here in Osaka.
So I'm applying for all that.
But that's a good role model there.
Never got into drugs.
The Japan Air.
Name the Japan Air.
Because the man learned the Japan Air in Japan and said, I'm going to name this the Japan Air.
So he's got love for you, man.
Japan is killing it on the street scene right now.
It's a lot of young skaters.
Oh, yeah, absolutely right.
It's big wave here like it was in the 80s in the U.S.
Vert is out and street skating is back in again.
So yeah, no.
And some of the very best street pros in America right now are Japanese kids, two or three of them.
There's some around here.
That's why I was like, we need one, because I got shamed by some of these people.
Like, damn, how old are you?
They're making up things that, you know, used to used to be called video tricks, you know, something you do for three hours and get it once, but you get it on film and you're just doing them consistently.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it's really evolved.
And that board hasn't really changed or anything either.
Still plywood, still generation.
Skateboarding is only five years, man.
You know, they do.
The things are crazy advanced, but those kind of things keep people away from drugs and other things.
I feel like all these recreate positive recreational activities.
We need more of that.
And and a lot less.
I think there'll be a lot less drug use, like the war on drugs and talking about police reform.
This all ties together.
That is the key thing.
Like we can get rid of the list of things I said before, but the war on drugs is the majority of of the root of a lot of different complex comes from that.
Yeah.
And I would also say fatherless homes and all these things.
But it's drugs, man, I think that it really breaks families.
It wrecks things more than anything else.
And and we've seen other states come up with different solutions.
But yeah, you know, speaking of all of this and tying it back together, what about Skate Palestine?
Have you heard about that?
I don't know.
And I just heard I haven't looked at it.
You can look for me on that.
Yeah.
So it's a SkatePal.co.uk and it's a charity to essentially, you know, raise money for skateboards for kids on the West Bank.
You can't get anything into Gaza at all.
If that's one indication of what a prison Gaza is, you can't even send in skateboards to little kids there, but at least you can get them into the West Bank.
And they built skate parks.
And there's now, you know, Thrasher magazine actually just did a series or not a series, but a really good article about this in a video that they put on their website of them skating in the West Bank, I guess in Hebron and Ramallah or something.
And they got a great little skate scene.
And very importantly, there are two or three, you know, older teenagers who are really good.
And so that's what's really important, because that's what inspires all the little kids is to be like their skateboard hero.
You know, so I love to see it in the Olympics.
That's what it was supposed to be, but it all got canceled for the germ, but it was going to be this year.
It's here too.
And in fact, there's an Ethiopian team and there's kids from all over the world now are, you know, it's a really a good equalizer too, because it's not it's the kind of sport that's pretty cheap and can be done almost anywhere.
I love what they did in L.A. where they, they put all this sand.
I don't like this part, but they, they dumped all this sand into the state, the skate arena there in Venice Beach.
So that just caused more people like skating on benches and things, but they just went in there and dug it out themselves.
I know.
Well, so many people sent me that like, oh my God, look at this atrocity.
And I was like, I don't know, man, escape when it, when the day comes, the skater kids will clean that up at 40 minutes.
I mean, because they did skaters, skaters work for, you know, we will drain a pool.
We will scrub a ditch, we'll sweep a ditch all day, you know, that's what got the street scene going is because of the empty pool scene was canceled.
And so they just started skating on whatever.
So they're like, all right, let's build a skate park.
So they don't, and the kids did empty it.
They did get all that sand out of there in, in no time at all.
I saw a clip of them.
And, uh, bucket brigades, like they're putting out a fire and, uh, and they, um, they had it done in no time at all, you know, older kids making the younger kids work, pay their dues a little bit.
And that's fine.
Whatever it is, if you want to skate, you know, they need that.
And it was also just more of like, stick it to the man.
And it got part of that skate culture to like, oh, you don't want us to do that.
We're going to go do that.
So that was a good part of that too.
Skate Palestine is that you can Western Union money to the West bank.
The only way I know to get things to Gaza is through religious charities and there's no other way.
Yeah.
Not really.
And I need to get, you know, I know their guy, it's Charles Davis who is, um, no, it's Charlie Davis who is not the same as Charles Davis, the horrible, uh, pro Al Qaeda in Syria propagandist, but a really cool skater guy.
Um, and I forget the other guy's names, but there are two or three other guys that help run it and check out.
I'm sure the, the Thrasher article is online by now too, uh, is really good about it.
And did you have a favorite skater?
I'm sorry.
Did you, do you have a favorite skater?
Do I have a favorite skater right now when you were growing up?
Oh, well, like in the Hawken Hussoi days, I was a Tony Hawk kid.
Yeah.
I mean, everybody loves Christian Hussoi, but I Tony Hawk with the, you know, the technician stuff.
That was always my favorite.
But then I'm from Texas.
So Jeff Phillips and you know, Dan Wilks and Todd Prince and Brian Pennington and, uh, and John, uh, what?
John Gibson.
And, uh, did I say John Gibson?
Um, Craig Johnson and a lot of Mike Crumb, a lot of really great Texas skateboarders.
So, um, I think Mike Crumb is still a provert skater.
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Yeah, no, check that out about Escape Palestine, man.
It's a really cool thing and kind of thing I like to promote that.
Yeah, I'll put that on my website.
I've heard that before, but didn't something.
I have so many distractions right now, I'm like, I can't look at skateboarding right now.
I need to like get money.
Believe me.
I understand.
But it's a cross between two things that are important to me, you know, so.
I wrote Thrasher a letter, but they didn't publish it.
I have all these cans here for the Tokyo Olympics, which is supposed to be in 2020, 2020.
This whole year has sucked.
But there's, you know, it's supposed to be here next year.
So maybe, you know, we don't know if there's a second wave depends.
I love the meme of the doctor who said, are you?
When is coronavirus going to end?
He goes, I don't know.
I'm not political.
That's funny.
That's a great answer.
I hope we can get it.
I was looking forward to going to that.
And then, yeah, we're going to have it here in Japan.
So can't go anywhere right now.
Well, maybe I'll see you then, man.
Hey, if you come out here, come to Osaka and I'll show you the skate parks and temples and everything else.
We got.
I love entertaining people that come to Japan.
It's definitely should be on your bucket list.
Yeah.
I want to visit Mike in Tokyo Rogers, too.
You know, he's invited me there for a long time as well.
Yeah.
You should definitely see go to go to Tokyo, even though that's our rival city, whatever.
But hit Osaka, Kyoto, Nara, that Kansai region.
It's more.
It's like I think of Tokyo is kind of like Orlando.
It's sort of the tourist part of Japan where people go to Pungi and all that.
And Kyoto is a little bit like that, too.
But Osaka and stuff, that's like the real, real Japan.
I don't know how else to put it.
But it's a it's a really underrated, like unique part of Japan with great things to do that just because it's right.
It's always second place.
It's like it's kind of like what New York does in the United States, like everyone knows about that.
But there are a lot of other great cities.
It's just not quite number one or whatever.
Right.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Listen, I got tacos waiting on me in the other room and I'm going to go eat them.
Have fun.
Enjoy that.
Thanks for having me on the show.
Yeah.
I'm not the only one getting deplatformed.
I'm going to have a list on my site of people who are getting the axe for nothing and we've got to fight against it.
You got to draw the line here.
Yeah.
It's getting worse.
Yep.
Absolutely agree.
They're going after everybody.
So, yeah.
A and C report dot com, guys.
You know what it is?
It's just like the virus.
I'm sitting here hunkered down hoping that it passes me by.
Let some other S.O.B. get it.
And and then maybe the whole thing will blow over before it destroys me.
So kind of a parallel there that cancel culture and the virus.
Sorry it's happening to you.
And I know and I'm really sorry because I know that if they took away my Patreon and my PayPal, that I would be completely screwed.
I would be absolutely I'd be out driving a cab.
Yeah.
You know.
Yep.
I was like, well, I lost PayPal.
I still got Patreon.
I lost Patreon.
I go, well, damn.
And I had to unlist all my YouTube videos because so many people got canceled on there.
I'm like, well, that'll come.
I'll be a five time champion if I get deleted on there.
So it's stressful, man.
What do I do?
Stop talking about Epstein and the war and everything.
I can't do that.
So wait now.
Which all things are you allowed on at this point?
You're on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or not or what?
I am perpetually 30 day banned on Facebook.
I'm on there now because I'm just not using it like I exist.
But I know if I post something, I'll get banned.
They ban you for stuff you wrote 10 years ago, you know, and I can't even see what it is like.
This is whatever.
So I am on my wife has a Twitter is a report on Twitter because I'm not allowed on Twitter.
I got ganged up on by Black Lives Matter on Twitter.
I'm on YouTube, Ryan Dawson on YouTube, but 99 percent of my videos are unlisted because I can't risk getting kicked off YouTube.
I just started a tick tock.
I don't think I'm going to continue with that because I looked at it was just all garbage.
Something.
OK.
I have brand new tube.
That's kind of like it's called brand new tube dot com.
And it's another YouTube, except you don't get censored.
And so I'm I'm backing that up.
I have a bit shoot as well.
A problem with bit shoot is they don't do live stream and you can't monetize.
You can still catch me on YouTube if you get it live or you see me within the day, but then I quickly unlist that.
But the place where all my stuff is, is A&C report and stands for anti neocon report.
That is the hub that leads to everything else.
And and I go on other people's shows and things.
And now if I click donate here, I can use Stripe or something like that to still donate to you.
Yeah, I don't even say what my payment processor is, because there is one.
I get it.
There is something and you can donate that way and you can make reoccurring or you can become a member.
So the difference is if you just want to make a one time donation, just use donate.
If you want to, like, participate and see hidden content, why not?
You can become a member and that would roll over every month.
Either way, I sell films, T-shirts, et cetera.
Everything's on the website.
Right.
Got a shot.
Amazon still has my book.
I haven't been censored on Amazon yet.
Knock on wood.
Separation of business, the state is still up.
I wish more people would read that because a lot of people either blame everything on government or everything on corporations.
And I'm like, it's kind of both.
And yeah, I hope they just read the first chapter of that and they're like, oh, yeah, makes sense.
The government is definitely the enabler in that relationship.
But well, I wrote a whole book about it.
So it's a lot to say, but I hear you, man.
Well, yeah, we don't want to start a whole new one now.
And I'm sorry, because I have the book and always wanted to read it and interview you about it, because, of course, you're right that that's the key to everything is the two together is the enemy.
But we got to go.
It all started.
Abraham Lincoln, for all the good things he did, one of the most terrible things he did was marriaging the marriage between corporation and state with the railroad and timber, coal, et cetera.
And they continued to pay people in script up until the 1920s.
So slavery continued on into the 20th century, because when you're paid in script, you can only use it back on the same company store that gave you the scripts.
Yeah, I just recycled it.
And yeah, yeah.
Slavery still existed up until the Blair Mountain Rebellion, really.
And so that that everyone's like Lincoln, you know, I saw a thing about I don't know when which rebellion you're talking about, but I saw a thing about there were some slaves still held in Louisiana up until the 1960s.
But illegally, at least, you know, illegally, but where sort of I mean, the sheriff had decided, well, we just don't go to that part of the county or something like that, and just left them to it.
You know, I mean, they enslaved the Chinese after the Civil War to build railroads.
They oh, well, we paid them a dollar or whatever.
I'm like, that's still slavery.
And there's still sweatshops right now.
Offshore slavery is what I call it, both in Brazil, China, et cetera.
So this battle isn't over.
But what we have is all these people still fighting over issues from the 1850s and 60s and ignoring the ones that are right in front of you.
You know, they want you to waste your energy on all of this stuff rather than seeing the, you know, the child labor, the sweatshops.
And look, I mean, the most obvious thing going on here, too, is when George W.
Bush writes an open letter to America about its corrupt, crooked, racist heart, when he's the one who put more tanks and more machine guns in the hands of more cops than any American ever and did more, you know, making Bill Clinton pale in comparison.
And then he wants to say, why are you such a racist to a bunch of people who aren't cops and didn't do anything?
You know, amazing.
And that to me, Charlottesville by police were in a military helicopter and they were up there too long, didn't have enough fuel and crashed.
Um, people forgot about that, but there was a helicopter crash and a couple of police died at that, that Charlottesville event with this stupid tiki torch rally and everything.
Um, but they were just, you know, I have shown off their gear.
Yeah.
Remember the helicopter crash that crashed?
Cause it didn't have enough fuel.
A friend of mine was there.
He was a former Delta something, whatever in the army.
And he was like, they've been up there a little bit too long.
He kept saying that I wasn't there.
This is all word of mouth.
Um, but yeah, I'm sorry.
I can't help but laugh at that.
Yeah.
It's kind of a Darwin award really.
You're up.
And aside from the murder of the girl, which was obviously the worst thing that happened there that day, which was a clearly deliberate choice by the murderer.
The actual riot was the cop's fault.
And it was clear even that day when it happened that the cops would not allow the right-wingers to leave the park to the north, which is the open way out.
They force them.
You're only allowed to leave the park to the south, which means you have to go through the leftist counter protesters.
And the downtown mall, which is a whole bunch of one way streets and whatnot.
I used to live in Charlottesville.
I went to high school there.
Yeah.
Um, it is not.
And that was a deliberate decision to do that.
You know, almost all the people on both sides had bust in from somewhere else.
Almost nobody there was actually from Charlottesville and it really had nothing to do with the Robert E.
Lee statue.
I mean, that's what it was in the beginning, but this just became like a live action, uh, LARPing in real life or whatever, between communists and, and racists.
And, uh, the statue thing just kind of got brushed under the rug.
I was telling people Charlottesville might not exist if not for Robert E.
Lee, because the Northern terrorists would have burned it down like they did every other city.
But, uh, now that they put a tarp on them and then they took it down again, but all the statues, anybody now are being defaced, vandalized, toppled.
It's really sad.
It's a, our, it's our American history, all of these people.
And, uh, I don't think they really know much about any of these historical figures other than straight white man.
I gotta say, I don't give a damn about any of these statues to any of them really, but what worries me more is them thinking that there's nothing worth learning from somebody like Thomas Jefferson.
I mean, uh, something like that when they're going that far, when they're tearing down statues of Grant and Lincoln, now we're talking about a craze that, you know, there's no important Columbus, but, you know, I saw a thing where, um, I don't remember what it was, but it was an old black guy talking about these, uh, all these giant monuments to the Confederates in, I think in new Orleans or Baton Rouge or something.
And they said, well, so what are these statues mean to you?
And he goes, you know, I can't say I really care that much, but basically they say, stay in your place.
This country still doesn't belong to you.
You're still nobody.
And around here, you know, you're not really welcome or you're only here at the pleasure of somebody else who really owns this town and all this, even though I'm from here my whole life, you know, it's kind of like, you know what, those statues should be torn down.
Pose.
Hey, in fact, they were put there not right after the civil war, but decades later in defiance of the civil rights movement and that kind of thing.
So, um, well, it was this, the civil rights, I'm on their side of that.
I don't give a damn about all that.
And I think all of Washington DC, if you put all Washington DC and just regular office parks instead of these giant marble buildings and temples and all their statues to themselves, they don't think anybody would take their authority seriously at all.
You know, I don't know why any politician statue make you feel small.
It's like Derek Jensen would say, but I don't mind the, like the Vietnam memorial, for example, I don't look at that as, Oh, we killed 2 million Vietnamese people, even though did.
It's more to all the 55,000 Americans that died and you're not supposed to worship it.
You're supposed to see these historical monuments, not as like heroes, but as just a piece of history to learn from.
Well, you know, whether it's a memorial that wore the shrines in Japan or whatever, sometimes they argue, Oh, they're full of war criminals.
Like, yes, they are.
They're also full of, uh, many victims of bombings by the Americans and so on.
And, you know, it's, uh, I'm okay with the statues, not that big a deal to me because you can always just make another one, you know, but they, they argue, put them in a museum.
Well, Antifa broke into the museum and burn things down too.
So that, that didn't work either.
And I'm like, if it's not yours and it's not your property, you can't mess with it.
Yeah.
Like it doesn't matter.
It's public property.
It's not really property.
You know, this was daughters of Confederate veterans.
It was all private property and they went and burned it down.
It's different.
Yeah.
I was like, no matter how you feel about it, it isn't up to you to decide to destroy something.
And when the ISIS was doing that in Syria and Palmyra, they're destroying ancient statues.
You know, this is world history.
Yeah.
Those people probably also had slaves, but these are ancient historical artifacts and they just went and blew them up and I just don't like that at all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The whole kind of Maoist year zero aspect of the whole thing.
And so to me, I can't help, but be mostly just bemused by it because this is still a very big country of 330 something million people, and we're just not going to be ruled by the pretentious coffee house set for too long, you know, that was, you see, that was an onion when the, when the Bolsheviks took over the Russia in 1917, it was pretentious coffee house type seize power in Russia.
Yeah.
You're blue haired.
He's a dumb century.
Yeah.
All right.
I got to go.
Uh, thanks for doing this.
Great to talk to you again.
Yeah, man.
Sorry.
I'll talk to you off, but, um, in the future we could, we can talk about Africa or there was something else you're asking me about, but, but whatever, I'm down.
So.
Okay, cool, man.
We can do a show.
Thanks so much.
All right.
Good talk.
Thanks.
Appreciate it.
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That's, uh, ANC report.
Dot com.
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