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I'm the Director of the Libertarian Institute, Editorial Director of Antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and the brand new Enough Already, Time to End the War on Terrorism, and I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2003, almost all on foreign policy, and all available for you at scotthorton.org.
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Hey guys, on the line, I've got Pete Quinones, and of course he is Managing Editor at the Libertarian Institute and host of the Free Man Beyond the Wall podcast, and so what's going on is Pete, oh, first of all, hi, welcome to the show.
Hey Scott, how are you doing?
I'm all right, man.
So the point is, I've always thought that I ought to have other libertarian podcasters on the show, at least from time to time, in order to promote them, because, you know, I've got listeners that other people don't, and other people might have listeners I don't, I don't know, and then other people are doing good libertarian podcasting work, or anti-war stuff, or whatever it is, you know, might deserve a mention, might help them out, and they might do a lot better job persuading people than me, and so, yeah, but now here's the problem.
Now every libertarian's got a podcast, and I couldn't possibly have them all on, I wouldn't get to do anti-war interviews anymore, and none of my anti-war listeners would want to listen to this show anymore, because it would be all libertarian podcasters all the time.
So I thought what would be better is I just interview you about all our favorite libertarian podcasters, and, you know, disclaimer in advance, I try very hard not to skip or forget anyone, but we will beg forgiveness for anybody who we omit due to my negligence, never mind Pete's, I take full responsibility for any names I forget to say, but I just thought we'd just kind of go down the list and talk about who are our friends and who are our favorites and who are the people we're getting to know, and what the hell's going on in this libertarian podcasting world anyway.
Sounds good to me.
I'm ready.
Yeah, man.
So here's one thing.
I do a show, I got 5,500 of them going back to 2003 at scotthorton.org, and you can also get them at libertarianinstitute.org.
I'm at the top of the page at antiwar.com.
I'm on the radio Sunday mornings in LA.
So that's pretty good.
And you've got this really great podcast, free man beyond the wall, which you've been doing for what, three or four years now?
Yeah, before years pretty soon.
Very good.
And I just dropped episode 580.
All right.
With Ryan Dawson talking about the truth and the lies of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Excellent.
And so now that's very interesting because you just interviewed me about that too.
And I wonder how good did I do compared to Ryan?
I do all right?
You did pretty good.
Yeah.
But you know Ryan.
Ryan is going to...
He's great on the issue, man.
No question about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's pretty amazing on it.
And it's one of the things you study a lot of different spots in the world.
He really concentrates on that one spot.
And it's true that I can't stand it.
So like Max Blumenthal's book, Goliath, I didn't finish it just because I felt like that far side cartoon where the kid's saying, teacher, can I be excused?
My brain is full.
I guess I can't do that.
I don't want to know everything about Israel that Max Blumenthal has found out.
It's just too much.
But yeah, no, he's with it.
So yeah, he does great.
And so yeah, besides you, there's one we can mention.
But no, actually before we get to Ryan, and don't let me forget because I got a hole in my head.
I got what Biden's got.
But no, we got to finish up our boys at the Institute.
So then of course, there's after you is Kyle Anzalone.
And I just got a great comment on Twitter where somebody said that, you know, you better look out.
This guy is really providing some pretty stiff competition to the kind of work you're doing there Horton, which I know is right.
He's brilliant.
And in fact, when I was trying to get back to writing the book, I had to convince Eric Garris at antiwar.com that listen, I've got a guy who can do my job doing thumbs up or thumbs down on the articles.
And I gotta get it.
I gotta make somebody else do it because I just can't do it man and get the book done at the same time.
And essentially, I'm on call all day for new stuff coming in.
And I just I can't there's no way I can write the book and do all my antiwar.com work.
We gotta hire this guy.
And Eric told me no, no, it's never gonna work.
Nobody can do this job.
But you what am I gonna do?
Oh, you son of a bitch.
And then I said, No, trust me, dude.
It's this guy, Kyle Anzalone, I promise he can do the work.
And immediately within the first day, Eric is like, I love this guy.
He's great.
And then, you know, I told Kyle what our standards are.
And he got it real quick.
And he's done an excellent job.
That was like two years ago now.
And he's now really the opinion editor at antiwar.com.
I got kicked upstairs a bit to editorial director.
And he's really the one doing the approvals on all the few points there now.
And he and Will Porter are a great team doing their show conflicts of interest, which sometimes it's just Kyle and but oftentimes it's with Will Porter.
And both of them are just brilliant and good on everything.
And that's all at Libertarian Institute.org.
In fact, I should have it in front of me so I can tell you the proper slash and everything is a slash conflicts we got here, you know, pulling it up right now, just one second here.
So Oh, by the way, Pete, is that slash man's because that was his name man's Raider.
Should we change that to slash Pete?
I'll have Harley change that if you want.
Sure.
Why not?
Yeah, let's do that.
Conflicts of interest.
Slash Kyle.
Yep.
Slash Kyle.
Yep.
Very good.
Libertarian Institute.org slash Kyle.
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Oh, hell yeah.
Good.
All right.
So and then at the Institute, we also have Don't Tread on Anyone by the great Keith Knight, who is awesome on everything.
And also the Liberty Weekly podcast by Patrick McFarlane, who's a lawyer and an expert on a great many things.
And then everybody's really good friend, Tommy Salmons, has his great podcast Year Zero.
And no, he is not a pro Pol Pot communist.
He just thought that'd be a great name for a podcast and he's right.
In fact, Pol Pot might have stolen that from something.
What do I know?
But Tommy's great.
He's a trucker and he's a great guy and he's a great friend of all of ours.
And and I'm just proud as hell that I get to be the director of this thing with all of you guys, man.
It's so cool.
And being on that site with every one of those podcasts is fantastic.
You lead in the way and everything.
And just to bring up one, like I've been on Keith Knight's podcast many times.
Keith is Keith is wise beyond his years.
He is amazing to listen to.
His breakdowns of any subject are going to be second to none.
I mean, the guy is he's a thinker and he should be taken very seriously.
Yeah, man.
Absolutely agree.
All right.
Now, so that's the core group.
But then, of course, we got Tom and Dave.
Those are the two biggest stars in our entire movement by far.
And of course, Tom Woods and Dave Smith show part of the problem.
Why don't you talk about our guys?
I'm going to say too much and go on too long.
I mean, what can you say?
Dave probably has the biggest as far as audience wise podcast, libertarian podcast in the world.
And he just breaks down.
He does great interviews, but he also breaks down current events like no one else and puts them into a libertarian kind of worldview and shows you where where everything's going wrong and how it can be fixed using libertarian ideology.
And then, Tom, of course, I mean, Thomas, the OG, I mean, he's, you know, pretty much the format that so many of us use for our podcast.
Like I started my podcast like modeling it when I started doing interviews after Tom.
And I think a lot of people did.
And over the past year, 15 months, Tom has really come into his own talking about the lockdowns and talking about, you know, basically what the government has done through covid.
And he's become one of the most popular voices out there.
He grew his audience immensely in the last year.
And it was a lot of people who weren't libertarians or were just people who came over to him and started listening because he had such a great take on what was happening.
And I would assume that some of those people after hearing episode libertarian episodes would adopt the ideology and come over to our side.
So when you look at like the two biggest libertarian podcasts in the world, I'll mention another one which is bigger than both of them.
But most people don't think of him as a libertarian.
But when you think about liberty, strictly libertarian podcast, you have to think of Dave part of the problem.
Dave Smith, Tom would show.
And yeah.
And then it just you go from there.
All the people that they influenced.
Yep.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
All right.
So now here's the problem that we face, which is there's a long, long list of really great podcasts.
And it's almost impossible to think of them in order of what you like or or, you know, these kinds of things.
I guess I got to get back to Ryan Dawson because we already brought him up.
So why don't you talk about Ryan anti neocons for a minute here?
OK.
All right.
I was remind me because I have a great one after this.
OK.
I just talked to Ryan Dawson today.
We talked for an hour and a half, talked for another half hour off the air.
I mean, the guy just breaks down foreign policy and what's going on in the Middle East better than anyone.
He can name names.
He'll tell you who's making the money over there.
He'll tell you anything about what's happening over there.
He's also great.
He was talking about Jeffrey Epstein back in 2007, 2008.
He's I mean, there are very few people who who put in the work on their episodes and there are very few people who like I mean, he has seven hour episodes where he just tears apart like a an appearance by a neocon on like Joe Rogan.
And there the guy is far beyond what most of us can do.
Just he's a machine.
And to listen and to watch him do it and like sometimes I'll get the whiteboard and sometimes I'll have something drawn out a map.
It's just absolutely brilliant.
I love the guy.
And I'm not going to hear anything bad about Ryan Dawson out of my mouth.
Yeah, no, he's great, man.
Is that from Curb Your Enthusiasm?
I'm not going to you're not going to get me to say anything bad about Ryan.
No, definitely not.
Yeah, you're right.
And he hates all the same people I hate.
That's one of the things I like about I do like.
And you're right that he's absolutely his mind's a steel trap for all this stuff.
But also, if you want to poke him with a sharp stick and set him off, just say Richard Pearl and watch him go.
You know, he's great.
Absolutely.
All right.
I want to mention somebody who puts out five episodes a week.
This guy, you might have heard of him.
His name is Ron Paul.
Oh, yeah.
The Ron Paul Liberty Report.
Him and Dan McAdams, the American hero.
Monday through Thursday with Dan McAdams talking about foreign policy, talking about domestic policy and whatever is in the news.
And then on Friday, Chris Rossini comes on and they usually cover economics and just go at that.
And Ron's still doing it every single week.
And I think Ron's eighty five, eighty six now.
I mean, he and he's better than most of us.
Yep.
He absolutely gets it done.
And, you know, as has always been, and we could just talk about Ron Paul's character for the rest of the episode, I guess.
And I am want to do that.
So don't let me.
But just the point being that.
He cares that much to work that hard still and get up there and and also he knows so much about everything.
You know, I bet honestly he'd feel guilty for not showing up when he knows we don't know the stuff that he has to say.
He's always had such a depth of knowledge about all of these issues, every foreign policy issue and every domestic issue of import, not just monetary policy and stuff like that, but everything that really matters, the most important things, the most dangerous things and worst things about American life, most of which are caused by the federal government, of course.
And he's just he's been on it constantly on like Ponce de Leon.
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Well, I guess the next one that I would talk about is it's three guys who do one show a week a piece.
The Lions of Liberty, Mark Clare, Brian McWilliams and John Odermatt.
Yeah.
I just did a phone interview with John the other day.
Oh, yeah.
John's great.
Yeah.
John's been on the show.
I've had I've had all three of them on my show and I've been on their each.
I haven't been on John's show yet, but, you know, one of these days, one of these days he'll let me do that.
But yeah.
So Mark Clare does the typical kind of interview, kind of standard libertarian podcast podcast inspired by Tom Woods.
Brian does more of talking about culture, things like that on Friday, and he's injects a little more humor into it.
And John usually talks about the criminal justice system and just the horrors, the horrors.
I mean, I've there are times when I just won't listen to John's show because it's just too depressing.
It's just two people who have lost decades of their lives to a broken criminal justice system.
And it turns out that they were, you know, innocent, completely innocent, weren't even near where this crime something happened.
And these guys do do a great job and they've been doing this for a while.
I mean, they've been around for a while.
So, you know, my hat's off to them.
Yeah, absolutely.
That is a real important one.
And for that matter, Free Talk Live, I know Ian is sitting in jail right now and won't be able to hear this until later.
He was released today.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah.
Ian was released today.
So yeah, of course.
Is Mark still on there with him?
Mark should be.
Mark should be.
I don't know if Mark went back to he had moved to Saipan.
I don't know if he's gone back to Saipan yet.
But last I had heard, he was in he was in New Hampshire.
All right, man.
Bitcoin profits, man.
Travel the world.
Oh, yeah.
But they came after, man, the feds, you know, it was one of those things where, you know, New Hampshire said, hey, if you're doing anything with cryptocurrency, we're not going to we're not regulating it.
You know, you do what you want.
We'll leave you alone.
One of those moves where the feds came in and said, we don't care what the state says.
We're going to arrest you.
Yeah.
And then I read and then I had a friend read the the indictment and they called Bitcoin a controlled substance.
What?
Yeah.
It's right in the indictment.
Yeah.
Well, that'll be easy to get dismissed then, because that's ridiculous.
I would assume so.
It's just ridiculous.
It's just I mean, what they're going to do is they're going to try and tie it to drugs because, you know, Bitcoin is what everybody trades drugs in the world.
Right.
Not the dollar.
Not the American dollar.
Right.
I never heard of that.
Yeah.
No.
Did you?
Yeah.
I heard that Bitcoin pollutes.
But I've never heard of a petrodollar before.
I don't know what that might have to do with anything.
Oh, man.
All right.
So.
Well, keep going, man.
Who else you got on your mind here?
Eric July.
OK.
Eric July has for Canon's sake on YouTube.
And he's been doing that for I think he's been doing a full time for a while now.
He does a lot of live streams during the day.
And I've had Eric on the show a couple of times, had a chance to hang out with him in Florida once.
And he's a really, really good dude.
Smart.
I mean, a no one's going to beat him in in an argument on economics.
No one's going to beat.
I mean, the guy is just he knows his stuff and he's as well read as anyone out there.
And he's funny as hell, too.
Yeah.
He's really funny.
He's always quick with a comeback.
And just that that style, that little bit of ghetto style he lets out every once in a while is just funny as hell when he's just tearing into somebody who's coming after him.
Yeah, dude.
That's great.
All right.
So Thad Russell, he's not really a libertarian, but kind of is, right?
Yeah.
Well, he he aligns with us.
He's you know, what he says basically is he's a man without a home.
So he looks at the libertarians and he says, hey, you know, these are the ones that are closest to me.
And so, you know, he just doesn't like to be in a box.
He doesn't like.
And I 100 percent agree with that.
I don't like to really be put in a box either.
I don't want to have to believe that I have to think this way because Rothbard or Mises thought that way.
I want to think my own way a lot of times.
And, you know, that's one of those people who.
He's original thinker, great historian, I mean, guys, what he knows about American history and especially the American culture and how culture basically was built in this country is is pretty friggin phenomenal.
And he also is he's putting together that book on foreign policy now that I can't wait to read because, you know, I've had him on for an episode just talking about foreign policies around a World War two, things like that.
And he just he knows his stuff.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, he's working on a great book on, I guess, the 20th century wars, you know, overall or something.
Right.
Is that it?
Or it's just World War two?
No, no.
It's going to be 20th century.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I'm really looking forward to reading that, too.
You know, I was talking with Gareth Porter today and he's working on a book about the Cold War and he's like, yeah, I'm just bogged down reading all the notes from the joint staff and all their studies and report, you know, it's all from the Pentagon, straight from the firsthand stuff.
Anyway, he doesn't have a podcast, but he's been on my show more than 300 times, including today.
That's no shit.
That's for real.
I've interviewed Gareth Porter more than 300 times and proud of every one of them.
And and in fact, the one today is horrible.
It's about how the right wingers are coming to power in Iran and there's so little chance that they're going to get the nuke deal back through the line, you know, over the line before the elections and then after that and who knows.
Anyway, good old Gareth the Great.
Sorry, I got on a Gareth tangent there.
What about Bob?
Bob, Bob Murphy, that guy.
Yeah.
Well, you know, what's funny is Bob, he only started his podcast, what, maybe a year and a half, two years ago.
And he is I mean, it's very heterodox.
You don't know what episode you don't know if it's going to be an episode on Austrian economics.
You don't know whether it's going to be an episode on religion.
And that excites me.
As a matter of fact, I tend to when Bob puts out an episode that's not about like libertarianism, maybe about religion or something like that.
Those are the ones I listen to, because, I mean, I can listen to anybody's podcast only hear about, you know, libertarianism.
So I can listen to my own if I want that.
But when Bob does that, he he really brings a lot to the table.
And I think he tries to cater it so that, you know, somebody who's not religious, they'll get something out of it.
And I appreciate that.
Yeah.
All right.
So continue with the theme of the bigger names here.
Who are we missing here?
And I don't want to I'm not trying to relegate anyone to a lower tier either.
But there are a lot of new guys who we want to promote because they're new guys, that kind of thing.
So I don't want to sound patronizing.
But as long as we're on the Tom Woods's and the Bob Murphy's, who else do we have there?
I mean, I think we have to go with Jeff Deist and the Human Action.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
He's so smart.
You know how smart.
Oh, you know him better than I do.
I bet even.
I do know him very well.
I know he's smarter than hell.
He blows me away with some some of the stuff he writes.
Some of the stuff he says is just just really brilliant.
One thing that he's done in the last year, a little over a year, is he's concentrating on books.
So like they did a he did a whole like series on human action.
Then he did a whole series on man economy and state and like they had different people come in to talk about different chapters.
And then he's like, well, let's now let's slow this down.
And I'll pick like a smaller book and talk about that and talk about like bureaucracy by Mises or something like that.
And then he like started throwing in this year, like James Burnham's managerial revolution, which is a book from the 40s, which really explains how, you know, how, you know, there's no real experts, you know, there's no expert in in government, you know, in economics, running anything.
They're all managers.
And that's why everything's going to crap.
So him just talking about these books and, you know, even if people aren't stopping to read the book, you know, taking the time to read the book, at least they're getting like a good synopsis of what's in there, you know, sort of a CliffsNotes kind of thing.
You and I, you and I are old enough to know what CliffsNotes are.
Right.
Yeah, I guess.
I don't know if they still have that.
Is that a website now, CliffsNotes.com?
I would.
Well, I think they're Tom does something, advertises something.
I can't remember what it's called, but it's like like 20 minute versions of the of the books and everything like that.
I can't remember.
I'd like to see someone do the 20 minute version of my book.
OK, we're just going to skip the Somalia section.
OK.
Like there is there is one website I got, I can't remember what it is right now.
And Tom, Tom talks about it all the time that actually has like Tom's meltdown book on there in like 17 minutes.
You know, like listen to the breakdown in 17 minutes and everything.
But yeah.
So Jeff and Human Action and the Human Action podcast, they've been concentrating a lot on like they just did.
What has government done to our money to rock the short rock bar book?
So, you know, that's good stuff.
Yeah.
Hey, that's the best.
If people haven't read that, I mean, that one in the case against the Fed, I forget which is the shorter and which is the longer.
But they're both fantastic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those are I mean, I think what has government done to our money was like maybe the third book I ever read.
Which, by the way, oh, no, this is totally off topic and we don't want to go all the way down this rabbit hole.
But what the hell, at least on this subject, you can hear just about everything Rothbard wrote, at least of any reasonable length, read out loud by the famous and infamous Jeff Rickenback, the deepest voice in all of libertarianism.
And and he just died in the last year.
But he was a longtime libertarian.
Great.
And he was absolutely the best at reading Rothbard audio books, just hands down.
And you find almost all that for free.
Yeah.
And what's funny is I know, like when I'm reading a book that I've listened to on audio, I catch myself hearing reading it in Jeffrey Rickenback's voice, like in my head.
I know.
Yeah.
Seriously.
It's so easy to recall, too.
It's just so distinctive and great, you know, and he was really a hardcore and great libertarian and a great friend of a lot of great libertarians for a very long time.
So word to Rickenback.
All right.
Who else?
Pete.
Well, let me since I was talking about Bob and talking about how he puts out episodes on religion and stuff like that, I have a friend who does the anarcho Christian podcast and he basically comes he he's trying to communicate to Christians that if you believe that there is only one king and that's Christ, then you by default should be an anarchist.
And, you know, he does that from the Bible and he tries to explain.
There are certain things in the Bible that make you believe that you have to worship the government.
You know, I don't know how you would do that in Nazi Germany, but it was like like Rothbard said, if you if you believe the people are the government, then, you know, the Jews committed suicide in Nazi Germany.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Somewhere this metaphor breaks down, it seems like.
But Stephen, who does the anarcho Christian podcast, it's a really good podcast.
And if anybody knows their Bible or is really interested in the Bible, he does a really good job with that.
So cool.
Good mention there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And OK, so I was on and it was just released today, a podcast that started about 15 months ago.
I don't know the name of it.
You'll figure it out.
It's called Liberty Lockdown and it's Clint.
And Clint is I mean, he's just blown up and he does really good interviews.
He is he's in his late 30s.
He's basically retired and he's just.
Asked the right questions and has.
He has a good back.
He has a background in, like, the mortgage business, private mortgage business, private money lender.
And so he can talk about, like, housing crises, stuff like that.
But also he just he's been around the libertarian world for most of his life.
So his his opinions are right in line.
And yeah, he's just blown up over over really the past few months.
He debated some some quote unquote neocon and everything and did a really good job.
And I interviewed him and I was on his podcast.
And I mean, really, he's become one of the one of the favorites out there.
When you when you look at who people when people when you put out something like who's your favorite podcast, libertarian podcast and he's he's making the list and he's only been around been around for just a little over a year.
Yeah.
Shout out to Clint.
Yeah.
Good one, man.
I've been on his show and really enjoyed it.
And that goes for just about all of these, by the way.
So if I don't mention that, just take it for granted that I meant to.
Yeah.
I have been on all of these one time or another, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
So, you know, and then we have someone like, you know, like Larry Sharp over in New York who ran for governor of New York and everything.
And he has his podcast.
And one thing that is really good about Larry's podcast is he tries not to interview libertarians.
He tries to have conversations with other people and try to see where there's common ground, try to see what other people are thinking.
And I think that's really important.
You know, I don't I try to I end up, you know, mostly interviewing libertarians.
But every once in a while, I want to have someone come on there who's, you know, calls himself a commie or something like that and see, you know, see what we can talk about, see if there's anything, you know, that we have in common.
Yeah, man.
That's great.
So OK.
What about Shane Hazel?
He's still got a show.
Right.
Shane.
Yeah.
What the hell is the name of his show?
I can't remember right now.
Oh, my God.
I was just on it.
Yeah.
Shane is here in Georgia and we were hanging out at the LP convention and everything.
He does the radical podcast and Shane's got one of those great podcasting voices, just perfect for podcasting, one of the ones that people are really attracted to.
And he just he's radical, man.
He's, you know, came over from, you know, he'll tell you that he's a recovering neocon and everything.
And, you know, he's a he's a veteran.
And since we're talking about that, you got to remind me, we have to talk about all these podcasts that have popped up from veterans.
Oh, man.
Yeah, boy, that's a whole other tangent.
I'm glad that you that you focused on that.
So, yeah, first of all, Shane is great.
And I got to hang out with him the other day in Pittsburgh and finally meet him in person for the first time.
So that was a great time.
I didn't know.
Yeah.
He's something else, man.
Keep your eye on him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I got to give a shout out to.
To Luke and typo from biting the bullet, I mean, these guys are former Marines and they just get on there and they talk about, I guess, the best way to describe it is they talk about current events, talk about what's going on.
But they really talk, try to convince people.
I've had them on my show to just do a whole episode on why you shouldn't join the military.
You know why?
Why you shouldn't lend yourself to that, why you shouldn't make yourself a part of that.
And there's also that.
Veterans are voluntary.
I can't remember.
There's a there's a few people who are veterans.of that who's who do podcasts and but he doesn't really concentrate on it.
But the biting the bullet guys definitely do.
And I think it's great that it seems to me that over the past couple of years, we are getting a lot more veterans who, when they get out, they they're coming to our way of thinking.
Right.
So there's a guy named Scott Spaulding and his show is called the anti-war podcast.
And so I'm anti-war radio.
He's anti-war podcast only.
He's a combat vet.
And then his interviews are all kind of a very peculiar format where he has a little bit of like classical guitar playing in the background or something real quiet.
And then he just wants people to tell their story about one thing.
And I forget now what it was that he had me talk about.
I think, you know, it's always personally wants you to describe why it is that you're like the way you are now, why you're anti-war now, why it's important enough to you that you're making a big deal out of it or whatever.
And he's another I'm almost certain combat veteran of the wars, too.
And then, yeah, there's a whole bunch of them, and I really should have done work and prepared for this better, Pete.
I should.
I probably should have, too.
I think you did a pretty good job, a lot better than me.
I cheated and asked for tweets of lists of names, so we can certainly go down them all.
But they're all out of order.
And I don't have, you know, a good clump of neurons in my head that just represents the Internet names and the real names and the podcast show names of all the anti-war veterans who all fall into that category now.
In fact, there's a guy who was saying yesterday, man, I bet it's too many tweets down to even page down to.
There's a guy who is in the Air Force, but he's quitting.
He told me before because he heard me on Dave's show, and he realized that he was maintaining the planes that were refueling the Saudi planes bombing the Yemeni babies.
Like these are the actual planes we're talking about, the ones I'm turning wrenches on right now.
I got to get the hell out of here.
And so now he's leaving the Air Force and he's got a show.
Go to my Twitter feed, Scott Horton Show, and just page down till you find it, because I retweeted the guy.
I gave it the headline.
I said, man turns anti-war, quits Air Force, gets show.
So go and find that it's Gallison or something like that.
Something very close to that guy, you know.
And I should mention Danny Sherson and his buddy, too.
They're not libertarians, but they're great anti-war guys.
I mean, Danny's one of the very best guys in the whole country that we could possibly ever have on our side in the anti-war movement, and a combat veteran of Iraq, World War II, and Afghanistan, and a brilliant writer, former historian from West Point.
And I'm sorry, I forgot his buddy's name, but they have a really great show.
Man, I really should have prepared for this.
Maybe we should even stop here and go prepare more and pick this back up on Monday or something Pete.
I don't know.
I think we'll be all right.
Yeah, let's wing it still.
Keep going.
You were talking about, was it Jose Gallison?
Yes.
This was the guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Thank you.
He's cool.
I've known him for a while.
He saved my life.
I've known him for a while.
He's a good dude.
And yeah, I've heard that story, too.
That's pretty cool, man.
That's quite something.
I like those.
You know what?
Not bragging or whatever, but just to go to show, like to keep everybody's morale up, not just my own, but that it is worth doing this.
You know, when I did that speech in Pittsburgh, you know, a lot of people came up to me and said, man, you really opened my eyes on this Palestine thing for the first time.
And this is really something else.
Thanks so much.
But also, like, I don't know, man, eight or 10 different dudes came up and said I was in the wars and not that they're mad at me.
Right.
And they were like grateful that I explained to them what the hell it was all about anyway.
And a few of them, at least, let's just say it seemed to have really made a difference to them.
You know, really counted a lot.
And that's just showing up and interviewing Gareth Porter.
You know what I mean?
People give me a lot more credit than I deserve for that.
But I mean, it is about the greatest thing a man could do would be interview Gareth Porter.
I understand that.
I believe that.
But anyway, yeah, it is meaningful to keep doing this.
In fact, my Twitter feed is a constant reminder of this, that some very distinctive minority, you know, but it's probably not a majority, but or a plurality or whatever.
But it's a significant part of my audience are anti-war veterans who just love this stuff because they know it's right, you know, and are and are really down for this.
And there's been a few different podcasters come out of that.
So, you know, that's pretty great, dude.
I'm pretty happy about that.
I wanted to mention that Jose Gallison's podcast is called No Way Jose.
So thank you.
Thank you.
That's pretty good.
Pete would go in there with this big save from my fumble.
I appreciate that.
I had to look it up.
You got Nico and Shane from What's Happening.
Oh, yeah.
I love them, man.
Are they the greatest or what?
I love those kids.
And they're not kids.
They're adults.
They're still kids.
And I love them.
I got to meet them in New York when Dave's Dave's debate up there.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
There is.
They're Texans, too.
That's what's the best thing about them.
Oh, and they're both a riot, right?
They're both really funny and and like on Twitter, cracking jokes all the time and not on Facebook.
But I'm sure they're great over there, too.
And their show is great.
Really is.
Both of them are great.
So I have a friend who's a lawyer and he goes by legal man on Twitter because he doesn't want anyone to know who he is.
Oh, you know him.
Someone mentioned him to me on the list here.
Yeah.
The quash.
And he he he's been on the show a couple of times.
We actually did a episode together where we went through Spooner's No Treason and picked out like all the greatest parts, which is hard to do because every part of that whole thing is great.
And that was a really good episode, got a really a bunch of good feedback.
And so like right now, he's doing a series on the why the Constitution is just no authority whatsoever.
And he does it just one of the great things that he does is if is he's talking to conservatives.
So he's a guy from the right who's talking to conservatives and trying to communicate to conservatives and people on the right that this is all garbage.
You're not.
This isn't going to save you.
And I think he does a really good job of that.
And he's beloved.
I mean, he's it's his attitude to, you know, he's a, you know, screw you kind of guy.
If you don't you know, if you're not followed, if you can't get this now, I mean, come back later.
But if you're just going to be belligerent, screw you kind of thing.
And I can shape that attitude.
Yeah, absolutely.
Hey, let me mention David Gornoski.
He does a radio show called A Neighbor's Choice out of Central Florida, and he is really great and really principled.
And he gets some really good guests on there, too, man.
So he's definitely one for the top of the pile, I think.
Oh, yeah.
Jeff Deist goes on there all the time.
I think he may go on once a week.
And I got to David's been on my show.
I got introduced to him.
He went on Bob show and did an episode that was just about like the the scapegoating and in history, how nations have scapegoated certain people in groups to make them the enemy or to sacrifice them.
And he talks about how it almost seems like in the modern day, that's what the soldier is, that they get sent off and sacrificed.
And, you know, he's brilliant.
He's another guy I got to hang out with last year in Jekyll Island.
And yeah, I always wanted to go there, man.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's wild when you're walking around that place and you're like, do you know what happened here?
You know what they did here?
I mean, people don't know me.
I was seen to the crime in the 1990s.
I was the world's biggest G.
Edward Griffin head.
In fact, I saw where Keith Knight did a podcast of my interview of G.
Edward Griffin from 2003 or something.
And, you know, it's funny because it was actually Griffin himself who finally really kicked me out of the kook movement in a positive way.
I mean, he really changed his whole shtick from, you know, Birch conspiratorial stuff, New World Order stuff to simply collectivism versus individualism.
And it what really matters is what we all believe in all of this stuff.
And that was really it was nice to have G. Edward Griffin be the one to really tell me you can stop being a kook now.
This stuff is all obsolete, you know.
And so I did right around that time.
And of course, I was reading Raimondo and Raimondo knew way more and way better than any of these guys had any idea.
Even Will Grigg was reading Raimondo all day to find out what the hell was going on in the world.
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I got a whole list of people who've interviewed me lately that I'd like to mention.
Liam McCollum is a young college student from, I'm not sure if it's Montana State University or the University of Montana or exactly which they call it there, but he's really great, has a great podcast, has had me on a bunch of times and seems to have a very well put together show, is obviously a very bright guy and really knows what he's doing.
There's a guy named Doug Ford who is, please don't be mad at me, all these tiny little Northeastern states the size of Texas counties, man, I can't keep track of which one's which.
I'm pretty sure that he's from Rhode Island.
Isn't he the guy from when I was in Rhode Island?
I do a lot of traveling.
It's hard.
I remember what I read.
I don't remember what we were talking about and I don't remember anybody's name.
And I don't remember which states I went to in which order.
So cut me some slack, God dang it.
It's reading that I'm good at remembering things from, that's all.
But he's a great guy and he's one of them tiny little Northeastern states and he's had me on and obviously he's a Libertarian Party guy and a good activist up there.
And Coalition Radio is the name of his show.
And also we got to mention the naturalist capitalist, Reed Coverdale.
He's another trucker like Tommy.
And he has made himself a pretty big deal, you know, up and coming in just the very recent months here, last year or so, I guess.
He was a Tulsi Gabbard guy and he's looking for somebody with some principle and he ended up palling around with the likes of us.
And so now he's, you know, very much into the party aspect.
I'm not sure if he has a role in a state party at this point or exactly what he's doing with that, but he seems to be very interested in doing the Libertarian Party bit and in leading what they're calling this unity movement that, you know, enough of everybody telling each other how much they hate each other on Twitter all day that, you know, we do have important business to work on together that we virtually agree on all of it.
And so, you know, I like the whole spirit of that and I've been trying to encourage that kind of thing myself in my own little ways.
So not that I don't sometimes screw up, but anyway, so he and he's got a really great show consistently had on great guests and seems to be very interested in all the right kind of questions, you know, at least for the subject matter that they're talking about over there and stuff.
So, um, and we're all going to meet up at port fest and do one of those four horsemen shows.
It's going to be me and Rye and Reed and this guy, Jackman.
What's his name?
Do you know him?
Eric Jackman, Eric Jackman, which I don't know him, but apparently we follow each other on Twitter and, uh, I saw him on the four horsemen show with Dave the other day and he was hilarious.
I was really laughing the whole time.
So I'll be looking forward to meeting him and, uh, and doing a show with him.
Although I don't know whether he or Reed are going to get a word in edgewise between me and Rye Dawson, you know, I'll tell you what, well, Ryan's not going to be there, right?
I don't know.
I mean, Ryan lives in Japan.
Yeah.
He comes here.
I forget if he's supposed to be there for that or not.
I think he was saying, I guess maybe not.
Maybe I was taking Reed out of context there, but either way, even if Rye's on the, on just on camera, um, between me and him, it's going to be difficult for anybody else to say anything, but, uh, no, that should be great.
I'm looking forward to that one.
And, uh, let me see here.
Where's the, where's this guy?
Here.
Oh, Kibbe, Matt Kibbe is a good one.
He interviewed me and, uh, he, he's a prominent guy.
He, he's with Eric July over there associated.
You're kind of the Libertarian wing of the Glenn Beck, uh, website, right?
Is that right?
I, I'm not really sure about Kibbe.
I don't know.
Okay.
I thought that was right.
It's actually, I accidentally slant this, what is X or not accidentally, but inadvertently kind of thing.
You know what I mean?
Slammed Glenn Beck when he interviewed me as like the epitome of these kooks who got it wrong, you know?
And, uh, and then he told me after, you know, this is associated with Glenn Beck's thing.
And I go, ah, yeah, well, sorry.
I wouldn't have put you on the spot like that.
I mean, I don't know if I would have censored myself.
I probably wouldn't have, but I wouldn't have deliberately put you on the spot on the spot either if I had known that.
Um, and he goes, nah, he would probably wouldn't mind it at all now.
I think he's ready to face up to that now anyway, so it should be all right.
So I don't know.
That'd be nice to think that he would be, go ahead and really turn on his old pro war positions because I think he still carries some respect from certain factions anyway.
I wanted to mention another, um, another veteran who, um, has a podcast and he comes on my podcast a lot is Matt Freeman from the statist quo podcast.
He's absolutely amazing.
His opinions are on anything are great, but he's doing like, he's doing, I think he's on part four of like Irish history, you know, and you just doing why do a wild stuff and just really going out of his way to, um, do things that are different.
And you know, he's a guy who I, I admire a lot.
You know, he was in the military, he got out, he had a drug prop, he, you know, he developed a drug problem, went to jail for it.
And uh, when he got out, he just put his life back together.
And what's his name in his show again, Pete, Matt Freeman.
And it's the statist quo podcast.
Okay.
Yeah.
He's really good.
He's, um, he's one of my favorites and he's, he's become a really good friend.
Cool.
And, um, and then I have to mention these guys, I can't believe there used to be a podcast called friends against government.
And it was a bunch of libertarians car camp, it right.
And all those got Rallo Berger and, um, and Aaron who comes on my, my show a lot and pause now.
Now it's four guys and they've gone to, they do one episode a week, they drop on Wednesday and now they've started dropping individual episodes like once every Friday.
So Aaron will have one, one Friday bird or have one another Friday car has another Friday pause has it another Friday.
And um, it's some of the funniest stuff out there.
There are episodes of their podcasts that I can go back and listen to.
And I've, I'm just crying for half the episode because somehow they just make all this insanity funny.
Yeah.
And um, and now the, now the podcast is called timeline earth.
So it was friends against government.
And um, I think because of the acronym, a lot of people, maybe some people didn't want to go on.
And um, so they changed it to timeline earth.
And um, what's funny is it's now even more offensive than it was when it was friends against government.
So, right.
But at least it's not called that.
Yeah.
At least it's not called.
And now this is the Childerberg faction, right?
These are the guys holding this giant, they started Childerberg and it's blowing up.
I mean, there is no reason why in a couple of years, Childerberg can't be as big as Borgfest.
Dude, Childerberg is going to be dope this year.
Although you know, I didn't realize it was Memorial day weekend.
So it's going to be a mad house out there, dude.
I would have made it the weekend before Memorial day weekend.
It's nice and cool.
And we got the lake to ourselves, but yeah.
Next week it's going to start getting hot.
It's going to be great, dude.
It's going to be a rad party.
And then, so speaking of which, uh, Robbie is Robbie, the fire Bernstein is going to be there and he has a great podcast and he's going to do standup comedy at the night, Saturday night at Childerberg.
I'm pretty sure like everybody's going to go in town to Spicewood, Texas.
This is in the Hill country, West of Austin.
And we're going to go and see him and whoever else putting on a great show out there.
And his show is awesome.
And you know what too, man, I should have pled not guilty at the beginning of this because I don't really listen to podcasts.
You know, frankly, I just don't have time for that.
And I can read and learn things at like a hundred times the rate.
And I can't read and learn things if there's a show on because it's too distracting.
So I really just, I barely ever listen to shows except when it's a real special occasion.
So, um, I'm glad that you're here to help me out with this.
Cause you know, even those guys, the car camp and those guys, I love those guys, but I never listened to the fat caskets.
I just never had the time to do it, you know?
And same with a lot of those with almost everybody like Keith Knight show, I don't listen.
And even, even Kyle's show, I have to remember to listen, but I don't subscribe to podcasts, you know?
And Kyle's is really the one that's the most important for me to listen to cause he's picking up all the stuff I'm missing.
I need his help, man.
I wanted to mention Robbie Bernstein's podcast is called run your mouth.
Yeah, he's rad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, yeah, I mean, there was, I mean, we could keep going on and on.
Um, my friend Eric from rebel with a cause, I know you may have been on there.
What's his last name?
Uh, I think it's Hailer.
I can't, I don't know how to pronounce his name.
It's I think it's Eric Hailer, but it's rebel with a cause.
Okay.
And, um, yeah, I think he's over in Texas too.
I know.
I think he might be from Louisiana originally.
I think he lives in Texas now.
And uh, there's so many people in Texas, man.
It's, it's amazing.
And it's amazing that you can't get the LP straight there when you consider.
We'll see about that.
Be cool.
We're going to work on that.
The wolf is here.
It's going to be all right.
Uh, no, listen, um, Buck Johnson, there's a Texan.
That guy's great, dude.
He lives outside of Austin and, um, he's doing a big event at his house.
Me and Thad Russell and others are doing a thing at his place in Lockhart in October.
That's Southeast of Austin.
And they got, oh man, seriously.
If we had the time and you said, no, really feed me the best barbecue in central Texas, we will go out to Lockhart.
Anyway.
Um, Buck Johnson.
Yeah.
He's awesome.
What?
The counterflow podcast.
He changed the name.
It used to be called death to tyrants and now it's called the counterflow podcast.
So that's good.
Yeah.
A little bit less death in the title is probably okay.
Sure.
Yeah.
I actually, I love the, the original title because it was like, that's so obvious and no one had come up with it before.
Yeah.
Um, who's the NR cast?
I can't keep, I was supposed to remember the names of everybody's internet name and their real name and their show name and their everything.
Um, Oh, pushback.
That's not what I meant.
And our cast, that's what I was.
Oh, and our cast is, um, I believe that's the, um, the Jackman brothers.
Or is it?
Oh, this is, you know what?
I'm sorry.
I don't know his name, but he just had me on the show the other day and he was referring to, Oh no, Anarchast is, um, is Jeff Berwick's old show, but it's exactly, yeah, that's his name.
I was not going to think of cause I was totally stupid, but yes, that's who show it was.
But it was the other guy hosting it.
He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry.
I don't know his name.
He seemed great.
He asked me good questions and stuff.
That's cool.
Yeah, that's really cool.
Yeah, man.
And you know what?
He ain't a libertarian, but I got to mention, uh, pushback with Aaron Maté.
He's one of my favorite journalists, even though he's a progressive type, you know, don't matter to me.
He's been just great on so many things and including, you know, all importantly on Syria and on, uh, Russiagate.
And so, you know, yeah, that makes him a hero, man.
Great stuff there at the gray zone pushback.
And then, uh, let me see here, uh, fight for Liberty.
That's a good new show, a new, new young libertarian.
Let me mention Saudi Agorist, Saudi Agorist.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Now listen, he's a pal of yours.
I only know him from that goofy avatar on Twitter.
Is that him?
That's not him, right?
I have no idea who this guy is, but I love the memes.
I wish he would quit trashing my man, Dave.
But other than that, I love him and I don't have feelings, so it's fine.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
But tell me about him.
All I know is the memes.
He's got a show too.
I know I've seen it where the headline says you've interviewed him before on your show, but I just never clicked on it.
Yeah.
It's called the Agora.
Um, you know, and he talks about Agorist principles and tries to stick to that.
He talks about Austrian economics a lot and, um, yeah, it's a really good show.
And he, um, he's very well read too.
I mean, he's one of those people that is, um, you know, as read as much as he possibly could a Rothbard and Mises and everything like that.
So, you know, he's, he's a solid, um, Austrian economist.
Yeah.
That's great.
You know, you know, what's a, you know, it's a really good podcast and there's episodes still out there.
I'm zealot.
Oh man.
All right.
Go ahead.
Tell them.
It's Will Griggs podcast.
And then the worst thing is if you're a podcaster listening to this and you go listen to Will Griggs podcast, you're going to realize how much you suck because not only was Will Griggs the best writer in libertarianism, he was also the best podcaster in libertarianism.
Oh, he's the most eloquent writer, thinker, speaker, everything.
He was the best guy that we had, man.
His episode on, um, David Clark, Sheriff David Clark from, um, Milwaukee, it's, it's Freedom Zealot.
He put it out on January 21st, 2017.
If you listen to this episode of Freedom Zealot, you, I do not know how you do not come away absolutely wanting to see that, see David Clark in jail.
Oh yeah.
I mean, what he describes, what David Clark did to somebody who just offhandedly insulted him on a plane, the way Will tells the story is just frigging unbelievable.
I mean, it was, I, I, I, the first time I listened to it, I was like in the car and I was white knuckled on the steering wheel.
I was so mad.
He was, Will was just, you go back and listen to those podcasts and you're like, God, I got so much work to do.
I'm such a terrible podcaster.
Seriously.
I mean, you know what?
I don't think that cause I just think, well, I can't ever compare to that.
So I'm not even going to try to compare myself to that.
And what can I say?
You know, it's true.
It's like, it's like writing.
It's like, I mean, you're not, no one's going to write like Will.
So why would you even try?
No, my only thing is I got to be friends with the guy and, uh, he was co-founder of our Institute.
Of course you're sitting in his chairs managing editor.
I don't know if people know that or not, but it was me and him and Sheldon Richman that founded it together originally.
And, uh, he just died six months later.
I only got a chance to pay him once.
That was the whole reason I created the Institute was I wanted to give Will Grigg a job, but I didn't have a job to give him.
So I had to create a thing that could hire him.
So that's what the Institute is, a Will Grigg jobs program, because this guy needs a job writing this stuff.
And then, uh, he up and died on us and I miss him so much, but, uh, but listen, you know, and I was saying earlier, when we were going down the list of podcasts at the beginning, you know, starting with our own Institute first here, you know, I don't know, I guess it's a subconscious thing, right?
Like right there at the end of the list after Tommy is the Will Grigg archive and the Oklahoma city bombing archive in my brain was able to just dismiss that as written stuff.
And so not to mention, but that's not true.
We have the audio of every bit of Will Grigg we could find anywhere in the world, including him speaking at church and all kinds of great stuff, man.
Um, I obviously that's not the bulk of it, but we got the freedom zealot, but also the Liberty minute and the this, that, and all the different little kind of shows that he did, um, as much as we could find and save.
And you know what, maybe we need to renew that project.
Now that I understand how archive.is works, I wonder if we could maybe go find more of that old Birch blog and more old podcast things.
I don't know if they save MP3s of stuff, man.
I'm just mumbling now.
I've rated, but we got a lot.
We got so much.
I've rated so many of his articles on the police for like, you know, stuff for podcasts and things like that.
I mean, it's just, you know, when I, when I have libertarianinstitute.com slash will, I'm interrupting you and messing up at the same time, sorry, Pete.
It's libertarianinstitute.org slash will, and you'll find it all there.
I'm sorry, buddy.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
I mean, when you start reading his critiques of the police and law enforcement, I mean, that was his big thing.
I mean, I guess that was probably the, as far as Thomas Edlum told me that that was really when he started to drift away from the birchers is when he started going down the anti-police road and, um, and what those articles on the police are.
They're gold mines.
Well, we published a whole book of it called no quarter that you can find at libertarianinstitute.org slash books.
And man, you give that book to your most right-wing friend and he will be your anti-government buddy the day after tomorrow.
I promise.
I mean, assuming that he's willing, he's got the courage to read it to the end.
Cause I'm telling you, Oh my God.
And there's so much in there, Pete, not just about war.
There's so much other stuff in there.
But overall reaction to no quarter by Will Grigg, man, you're going to hate cops from now on a lot.
It's just like that.
It's unavoidable reaction to that book.
It's just unbelievable.
And it's not like, well, it's just, they're like, Oh, the police, the police suck because of this.
No, it surely is not that.
Yeah.
He's just going to go, okay, this is what they did to Christopher tap.
This is what they did to this person over here.
This is what they did to this person over here.
And he just goes, it's down the list and you read the articles, man.
And the articles are just, they're so brutal and he's so is, and this is why they can get away with it.
And I mean, he articulates it so perfectly where, and he doesn't get emotional where I, I can only talk about that stuff so much before I start getting emotional and my anger starts coming out.
And you could see if he had any right anger, it was completely righteous, but he just kept it all the way through to the end and he just, everything was, he was mad, but he never got upset.
You know, that'd be different.
Hey, I'll check it out.
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We got to change subject because or else I'm just going to get too bummed out and or I'm just going to keep talking about will for the rest of the show, which we've been, we've been going over an hour.
Do you want to keep going?
You know what?
Let me page down the list here on Twitter and see what everybody else is saying.
I'm sure I've missed some and I know that, you know, there's so many people who, you know, might end up being mad at us for not mentioning them.
And so, as I said at the beginning, I'm really sorry about any omissions and it is a time thing and it is a memory thing.
And it is the fact that a lot of these shows I've been on, but I've never heard them other than that.
And I just don't know about them.
It's not it's not a slight.
It's just that I'm not really a podcast guy just because I do radio don't mean I listen to it.
But so, I mean, you got more on your list there.
Go ahead.
Josh.
Joshua Smith.
Yeah.
Libertarian party guy.
Yeah.
Has break the cycle that he started recently and, of course, just jumped right in and getting great guests and me and you.
And yeah, just doing a really good job there.
Kokesh.
Adam Kokesh.
Here's an anti-war veteran for you.
Yeah, man.
And he blew his mind on some DMT and now he is the friendliest person.
He's gone full hippie in a good way.
I don't mean to say he's a communist or anything, but just he's gone full peace, love and granola bars and being cool.
As far as I can tell.
You know, every time I deal with him these days, he's just like, hey, man, isn't life in the world getting better in so many ways?
And he's right.
You know what I mean?
But that's just his perspective.
Now it's just really positive and and upbeat and great.
And I love the guy.
So how do you like that?
My friend, James, gentlemen, started a podcast called Oh, yeah, dude.
Good guy.
Very good guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And got to meet him.
Oh, cool.
Cool.
Let's see.
Running down the list, running down the list.
Well, we got Mike Cohen is a former Libertarian Party vice presidential candidate who I'm going to be doing an event with him, Andrew Jorgensen in Denver this Saturday.
So I'm going to finally have a chance to meet him in person.
So that should be good.
Cool.
And Brian Nichols, he has the Brian Nichols Liberty.
What's it called?
Yeah.
The Brian Nichols show.
And Dan Smuts, the system is down.
I've been on his show.
He's a funny, funny deadpan kind of guy.
Someone mentioned Ben Shapiro here.
I don't know if we should.
That must have been a joke, dude.
I really hope it is.
Well, you know what?
I got to tell you, actually, I've never listened to that guy's show before.
I only heard his voice once.
Good for you.
Which was really funny.
But I have had a lot of people tell me that, man, I wish you would teach this guy things because he's so good on everything.
He's just like you, Scott, except on foreign policy.
He's really bad and you should set him straight.
Which to me always seemed funny because I always just thought he was a right winger.
Not that he was ever a leftist, but essentially otherwise would fall into the category of neoconservatives, big Israel first talk and anti-Shiite everything and whatever the hell.
But I don't know that he's that different from me on other things.
I tend to think that really that's just trying to smuggle whatever he has in common with libertarians, mostly just trying to smuggle Zionism and imperialism into a more libertarian take.
You know, like those fake Facebook pages where it's like 99 posts about kittens and doughnuts.
But then every once in a while they go, oh, I love Israel so much and they have the right to defend themselves from rockets, you know, and you know, all this Hasbara kind of thing.
Maybe I'm a little too cynical, but that seems to me to be his role, right, is to try to make it seem like a reasonable person on some things.
So he also thinks these crazy things about what Israel ought to be able to get away with.
Yeah, he's yeah, he's he's always making excuses for for Israel and anybody who anybody who criticizes basically Middle East foreign policy, he he has called them anti-Semites before.
So I mean, you remember you remember his tweets of at Ron Paul during the 2012 debates.
I mean, they were.
No, I don't remember that.
Oh, God.
Oh, oh, they were bizarre, bizarre.
He said, look at Ron Paul.
He's he's holding a pen in his hand like he would hold a Jew's neck.
The guy's nuts.
That's it.
And anyone and anyone who knows Ron Paul knows that Ron Paul, if if he puts his hand on your on your neck, it's on the back of your neck and he's talking to you like a dad.
Seriously, what a joke.
And and by the way, is it true that he's actually good on anything?
Like he's going to sit there and talk about central banking and the boom in the bus cycle and how that's bad for the poor and, you know, what anything good that libertarians are good on.
Yeah, I've heard that he's gotten better on a lot of those things.
But I mean, man, if somebody is really bad on foreign policy, it's hard to just take them.
You know, I can't listen.
You can't listen to someone who's bad on foreign policy.
Yeah.
You know, he honestly, man, it's just like with.
Cortez, I went a very long time before I heard her voice and I hadn't realized that I had never heard her voice before.
But apparently I had seen her on video and, you know, in pictures of her a million times or something, but I'd never heard her voice.
And then the first time I heard her voice, I just started laughing like, are you kidding me?
She sounds like such a stupid little kid.
And and then that was the same thing with this guy, Shapiro was, you know, I had read about him before.
Not much, but just his mention of him and I knew he used to be at Breitbart and whatever.
And I know that YouTube was always trying to get me to click on his stuff in the right hand margin, no matter what I'm watching.
They're going, man, you probably want to watch this Shapiro thing next.
And it never was enticing enough.
And then one time I can't remember what the headline was anymore, but the headline was interesting enough that I said, OK, I'll buy it.
And then I heard him talking.
He sounds like AOC.
And I thought, all right, that's it.
I can't take this.
Just thought of someone.
Michael Bolden from the Tenth Amendment said, oh, hell, he's got a podcast.
I knew that.
And he's also going to be there on Saturday.
I knew that too.
And his buddy over there, Mike Mahari, has the Godarchy podcast.
Oh, yeah.
And Mike is also great.
Like those guys are in a contest for my two favorite Mike's in the world.
And that's really saying something.
I haven't met Michael Bolden, but I know a lot of Mike's and those are two of the best.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, dude.
And yeah, listen, Bolden, for people who don't know, both of these guys are brilliant geniuses on the subject of the Tenth Amendment and nullification and libertarianism through grassroots retail bottom up politics.
That works.
Right to try stuff.
Medical pot, of course.
You know, anti-gun control pushes and, you know, liberalization of gun laws, which sounds like an oxymoron.
But you know what I mean?
The repeal of restrictions.
These kinds of things.
This is happening.
Medical pot going forward on to recreational pot and then even psychedelics in some states.
And all of these things and the Tenth Amendment Center, the brilliant geniuses really at the core of that movement of nullification and interposition in the Jeffersonian fashion, just like it should be.
And they really do get great work done.
And they really both are absolutely brilliant.
And so, yeah, man, good people.
Yeah, that's that's really shame on me for not thinking of Michael Bolden and Michael Meharry first.
So they are the best.
And I can't remember what was the last one that I saw by Bolden, but it was so good.
And I was just so impressed with the depth of knowledge and the way he explained the thing he's talking about.
I can't remember the subject anymore.
But I just remember thinking, man, is he good?
Well, we pretty much exhausted the thread here and I actually got to get going.
So we're going to cut this.
I think we did a pretty good job.
Again, sorry to everybody that we didn't mention.
I know that there are plenty that we did not get a chance to, but, you know, keep up all the good work.
And in fact, you know, add your favorites in the comments when we post this up, you know, on Twitter and wherever it goes up and keep pushing the conversation.
Oh, Alan Mosley.
I want to mention Alan Mosley.
He's done a really great job and has been, you know, as he doesn't mind complaining, ignored far, you know, worse than he deserves, man.
And he does deserve.
And see, we almost left him off too, but because, you know, hole in the brain, but no, he really is great.
He's had me on a couple of times.
I can tell he's a real bright guy.
I haven't watched his other shows with people.
I know he has a ton of great guests on.
Everybody's favorite libertarian personalities are the guests on there.
And I know he's a really bright guy.
So that's a good one.
I'm glad I had a chance to tag that on there.
Very witty.
Very funny.
Good.
And very quick.
Very quick.
Yep.
All right, man.
Well, with that, I'll let you go.
And again, begging forgiveness of everybody who got left off, but I'm glad we had a chance to do this because, you know, these people deserve interest and a lot of them do a lot of really good work.
And so get a little bit of promotion headed their way if we can kind of thing, you know?
Hell yeah, man.
Okay.
That's Pete Quinonez.
He's managing editor at the Libertarian Institute, libertarianinstitute.org.
Thanks, buddy.
Thanks a lot, man.
Take care.
Hell yeah.
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