10/29/14 – Grant F. Smith – The Scott Horton Show

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All right, y'all, welcome back.
I'm Scott Horton.
This is my show, The Scott Horton Show.
Our first guest today is Grant F. Smith.
He runs the Institute for Research Middle Eastern Policy.
And mostly what that means is he does Freedom of Information Act, et cetera, to get the documents to show the history of the Israeli governments.
And before that, really, the Zionist movement's criminality inside the United States in gaining all of the military and economic and political support that they've got.
It's crooked.
I tell you, not just democracy in action.
He does, too.
He shows it with the documents.
The latest book is Divert, which is, of course, about the Israeli government, a crime ring that includes the current Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, stealing weapons-grade uranium from the United States, from a nuclear plant in Pennsylvania, and leaving a mess behind, a radioactive mess behind as well.
And now, so you've got this new lawsuit, and you're saying you're awaiting action, I guess.
Right.
The law says, and maybe they have to obey this law, I don't know, that there's a time limit on how quickly they must respond to your lawsuit.
And by the way, who all is they that you're suing here?
Yeah, sure.
Well, basically, this is another Freedom of Information Act action, but this is actually a federal lawsuit now, because after appealing for a file which reveals a lot of wrongdoing, they basically did a runaround for two years, which is far in excess of the time they had to respond.
We finally filed the lawsuit in the D.C. District Court, demanding that a federal judge find that, in this case, the Department of Defense violated the Freedom of Information Act, and requesting that a federal judge order them to release the document that we've asked for.
The file is a study about development of nuclear weapons in Israel, at Technion University, designing nuclear missile reentry vehicles, and work at Dimona Nuclear Facilities, Hebrew University's computer sciences, working at Sorek to develop a computer code to develop hydrogen bombs, and the Weizmann Institute, which has really been a key cornerstone, primordial organization in Israel's nuclear weapons development program.
Their study of high-energy physics and hydrodynamics for nuclear bomb design and laser enrichment for making more weapons-grade uranium.
These are organizations that we've written about for a long time.
They appear in that latest book, Divert.
The Weizmann Institute was very influential in raising money under Abraham Feinberg, who was a super lobbyist who funded all sorts of things.
He worked on conventional weapons smuggling and then nuclear funding for Israel.
We want this DoD report for a number of reasons.
Essentially, we want them to stop pretending to the public that they don't know anything about Israel's nuclear weapons program.
You've seen recently just a small trickle of documents from the Nixon administration grappling with what they should tell the U.S. and how they should act when the lobbies start pressuring them when they reacted to Israel's development of nuclear weapons.
We don't want them to continue to pretend that Israel doesn't have a nuclear weapons program, that it didn't acquire a lot of illicit support from various groups in the United States, and we want to have a more public discussion about those Israeli nuclear weapons, just like they have inside the government.
So as taxpayers with every right to obtain, in particular, unclassified U.S. government documents, we've requested this and we intend to use it to challenge U.S. foreign assistance to Israel under the Symington and Glenn Amendments to the Foreign Assistance Act.
The United States Congress simply is prohibited from providing any aid to states that are operating outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
So we want to bring this document, extract it from the Pentagon and bring it to Congress and the President and the public and say, why aren't we following the law to quash nuclear proliferation in the Middle East?
You can't really have accountability when you have not only documents like this, again, unclassified, yet mysteriously bottled up inside the government for decades and decades and nobody going after them.
So we really want to release this document publicly, put it in our archive, along with all of the other files that you've mentioned, and have a broader public discussion about the Israeli nuclear weapons program and what that means for the United States, and also have more accountability for these illicit activities which seem to be protected somehow and always overlooked whenever it comes to any sort of accountability proceeding, whether it's in the courts or restrictions on aid or any sort of public pronouncement.
That's what the lawsuit is about, and the government has until tomorrow.
Now, we're no longer asking them to respond.
They have to respond tomorrow in court.
All right, well, we've got to stop and take this dumb break.
We'll be right back, everybody, with Grant F. Smith from the Institute for Research, Middle East Policy.
Follow-up questions.
They've got a bunch of them.
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All right, y'all, welcome back to the show.
I'm Scott Wharton.
This is my show, the Scott Wharton Show.
I'm talking with Grant F. Smith from the Institute for Research Middle Eastern Policy.
That's I-R-M-E-P dot org.
I-R-M-E-P dot org.
He's the author of a great many books about the Israel lobby.
The latest is Divert about how they stole weapons grade uranium.
The Israeli government and its agents stole weapons grade uranium from the United States of America.
And now we're talking about this lawsuit that he's got for an old study conducted for the Department of Defense about, correct me if I go off the story here.
I think I got it right, Grant.
It's Israeli charities that have branches here in the United States that are raising money and spending that money on research done in the United States on helping the Israelis develop their illicit secret nuclear weapons program.
Is that correct?
Actually, the research is done in Israel.
The fundraising, yeah, is done through American friends, organizations of the ones I mentioned, Hebrew University, Weizmann Institute, et cetera.
And now I think it's an important point to make that when you talk about hydrogen bombs, I mean, it sort of sounds like, yeah, yeah, this and that kind of atom bomb, different kinds of atom bombs.
But as Daniel Ellsberg likes to point out, a Nagasaki type, an implosion plutonium fission bomb is just the blasting cap for an H bomb.
H bombs, which are measured in the megatons worth of TNT exploding that could kill your entire city in one shot.
Far worse.
I mean, well, Hiroshima, that was 10 kilotons.
So an H bomb could kill Houston.
That's the kind of weapons that we're talking about here.
Exactly.
It's a whole different magnitude of weapon.
And I think it's, again, it's surprising to see the frankness and clarity of these, essentially, these are leaks of the contents of the document.
About how sophisticated and grandiose the development programs are.
Yeah, well, and, you know, I wonder about this, Daniel Ellsberg, and I've asked him about this two or three or four times just to make sure I got my footnote 100 percent solid.
He says that Mordecai Venunu told him, and Venunu, of course, is the famous Israeli nuclear whistleblower, that Venunu told him that Israel had as many as 600 nuclear weapons, including H-bombs, which would have been way back then even.
And yet every other estimate I see is, oh, they may have as many as 85 or 100.
Or I guess there's, I think, an Air Force study that says they may have as much as 400.
That's the highest number I've ever seen anywhere else.
And I wonder whether, you know, is there a CIA estimate anywhere?
Is there any kind of official number inside the U.S. government that says, or do you have any other better source or best source for how many nukes you think they already have?
Well, you know, there are numbers all over the place from different sources.
I have seen most of them.
And of course, you didn't add Jimmy Carter, who said that they had at least 300.
So as a former, you know, commander in chief, you would think that he would know.
There's, what there isn't any doubt about is that they do have a sophisticated, deployed second strike capability arsenal that they've been working on for a very long time.
Second strike, meaning submarines.
Right.
Submarine launch.
So, you know, you've got all sorts of, you know, the cat's been out of the bag for a long time.
The CIA studies have been declassified, showing that the Israelis are practicing the types of bombing runs that only make sense if you're delivering nuclear weapons.
You've got, you know, the purchase of submarines and their modification.
You've got the, you know, the all of the evidence about the uranium diversion.
You've got diversions of yellow cake.
You know, it's the inability of the American press and American government officials to talk about this is probably one of the most galling things currently, especially as everybody's talking about this non-existent program in Iran.
So, you know, the goal, of course, is to get more clarity.
The goal, of course, is to get some accountability as well and really find out, you know, what are the numbers?
Who's going to pay for the waste cleanups?
Where's the waste going?
What is the, you know, what's the purpose of this arsenal?
Why is the United States continually thwarting regional conferences to go for a weapons-free zone?
Why all of this unbalanced hype about other powers in the region acquiring nuclear weapons and, you know, how do you prevent proliferation?
Well, now, okay, so let me ask you, though.
I mean, it seems like, I mean, it's true that we have a very limited discussion here in this country where our politicians don't like to admit that they have nukes and that kind of thing.
So that's, I guess, kind of a secondary point.
But does it make sense, though, from an Israeli point of view or even from an American point of view, American government point of view, to agree with Israel that it's better to have this position of ambiguity where everybody knows they have them, but they're not a declared nuclear weapon state?
Because if they were, then that would have all these other repercussions, like then once it's official, there will be more political pressure on, say, the Egyptians or the Saudis or the Iranians or others to go ahead and create nuclear weapons arsenals of their own.
For example, another case where we have so-called ambiguity is in the case of Taiwan, right, where everybody sort of believes that we're sworn allies with Taiwan, but not quite really.
And we do recognize Beijing as a legitimate government of China now, at least, right?
And so it's that supposed ambiguity, even though everyone understands what it really means, but it's part of the understanding that we don't talk about.
Is there any value in that is what I'm trying to ask you in 10,000 words?
Yeah, there's no value in that whatsoever.
Essentially, the Israelis have stolen a cudgel from the United States that it can use against us as much as it can against any rival.
And I don't mean, of course, launching an attack.
I just mean the continual threat that if the United States doesn't do what Israel wants it to do, that it could be forced to use this fire that Prometheus stole from the gods, or in this case, stole nuclear technology, weapons, and material and built its own arsenal to do whatever it wants to do, no matter what the United States wants.
So I don't think the arguments from Israel's perspective about how good this nuclear umbrella is for the rest of the region have any weight on what the American analysis should be.
It's another one of these cases where the U.S. interest is completely different than what the Israeli interest is.
And you've seen similar arguments be made and discarded in the past with Israel being positioned as being able to threaten the Soviet Union from the south or being able to do this and do that.
There were always sort of these justifications after the fact for having the Samson option and blackmailed shit that it can use against the United States.
So again, bargaining shit, it's very powerful and it's almost like Stockholm syndrome in the United States, where the victim of all of the theft and all of the demands for being quiet like congressmen have pretty much acquiesced to their hostage taker and won't challenge the lobbies and other forces that are telling them to shut up about this.
But even some of the people who have done the best work researching this, like Abner Cohen, whose book on AMIAT and The Worst Kept Secret and all of that, has said it's far past time to drop this entire crumbling pretense that nobody knows what's going on.
It doesn't serve public debate and it's never served the American interest.
Well, now, yeah, I mean, it's funny.
I wonder how different the debate would be.
It seems like the American government is bound to go along with whatever the Israeli prime minister and his cabinet happen to want at any given time in the name of swearing to protect the very existence of Israel, which is really an entirely separate thing from just because they claim every single thing is an existential matter doesn't mean it really is.
And I guess if we had to, if the U.S. government had to come out and say, OK, yes, it's true.
They have so many H-bombs that no one could possibly threaten their existence ever without risking their own anyway.
That's deterrent enough.
Maybe we wouldn't have to be bound to their policy whatsoever at that point.
Maybe that's the biggest reason for for this so-called ambiguity, so that America has to pretend that we got to protect Israel from all their sock puppet neighboring friendly dictatorships.
Yeah, I don't know the the cat's been out of the bag.
The people who need to know have been warned and they know that Israel's got an arsenal.
So I just mean in terms of American public opinion, like, wait, why do we have to protect these guys all the time when they have?
That's a whole nother discussion there.
Yeah.
I don't know if Americans really care at all.
Right.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Anyway, listen, we're out of time.
Thanks so much for time.
It's great.
Talk to you again, dude.
It's got a flat.
All right, so that's Grant Smith.
Check him out at I.R.M.E.P.
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The book is divert.
Why is the U.S. support the tortured dictatorship in Egypt?
Because that's what Israel wants.
Why can't America make peace with Iran?
Because that's not what Israel wants.
And why do we veto every attempt to shut down illegal settlements on the West Bank?
Because it's what Israel wants.
Seeing a pattern here.
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