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All right, you guys introducing Nasser Araby.
He formally wrote for the New York times and I found him through a piece that he wrote originally back a couple of years ago for the Carnegie endowment website.
Uh, he's a journalist based in Sanaa, Yemen, and, um, has been gracious enough to spend quite a bit of time on the show over the last couple of years, keeping us up to date on America and Saudi Arabia's war against Yemen and is here once again with an update on the bad news and maybe some good news if we can find some welcome back to the show.
Nasser, how are you doing, sir?
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much for your interest.
Uh, listen, I'm very happy that, uh, you're here today again, and I really do appreciate you making the time to talk with us here.
So, um, I guess, can we start with basically just an update on the fighting?
How intense is it?
Uh, which side is making gains in which areas and this kind of thing a little bit?
Okay.
Okay.
Uh, the fighting continues in to, uh, frontline, 42, uh, battlefronts, uh, in the South of Saudi Arabia and inside Yemen.
So still 42, the front going on and, um, the Saudi air bombing or airstrikes used by the strike is to continue, uh, everywhere in Yemen, almost everywhere, uh, including, uh, now before you called me, uh, they hit the capital with five airstrikes, uh, immediately after the UN relief chief, uh, Mark, uh, lock up arrived here in an hour.
So, um, uh, Saudi Arabia, Saudi aggression continues, but, uh, without, um, achieving any progress, uh, they did not achieve the ideals they declared at the very beginning of this, uh, of this aggression three years ago.
They said they wanted to restore had the government or to restore Hadi and reinstate him in the capital.
Had he is still based in Riyadh and he didn't even come, he didn't even, or he couldn't even come to, uh, the liberated places, the so-called, uh, liberated places like Aden in the South.
Mm.
Why is that?
Why is it that Hadi can't even occupy an office in Aden?
This is the, this is the, because of the big, uh, split and division between, uh, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, the big embarrassment in this situation, uh, United Arab Emirates, uh, is occupying the South of Yemen and, uh, it's the union or United Arab Emirates has a different region from that of Saudi Arabia.
Uh, and Saudi, uh, I mean, UAE sees that Hadi is, um, brotherhood or, uh, more than other than any other thing, or he's based on his, uh, uh, supporters are a brotherhood and, um, uh, from the Islamist party.
So, um, this is the enemy, the big enemy of United Arab Emirates.
So they, they don't want Hadi to come to Aden at all.
They now, I'm sorry, Nasser, you're saying, you're saying that Hadi is tied with the Muslim brotherhood.
I'm sorry.
You're saying the Muslim brotherhood is who Hadi is tied with that.
The UAE doesn't like, I thought the Saudis hated the Muslim brotherhood too.
And that was why the Saudis hated the Qataris so much.
I know.
Now that they agree, UAE agreed with Saudi Arabia on fighting brotherhood.
Yes.
But, um, uh, with different, uh, but, um, uh, with different visions, with different visions.
So, uh, all the people, all the people of Hadi, all the, the, the, the, the, the people who support Hadi, the Yemenis who support Hadi are, are either from brotherhood or from Qaeda or ISIS, Qaeda or ISIS.
And I'm sure, um, uh, the, the, the, the, the reason why, uh, there is a problem between Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates is that United Arab Emirates has its own plan, uh, to occupy the South and the Saudi Arabia has different concerns.
Saudi Arabia wants to, uh, secure the South of its country, which is the North of Yemen more than any other thing.
Uh, so, uh, Saudi Arabia let, uh, United Arab Emirates do what it wants to do in the South and the Saudi Arabia focuses on the North, which is why they, there is, uh, there is a big difference, at least in, uh, in, in running the affair, in running the operations and in controlling and in these things.
I see.
But they agree on a lot of things.
Today, for example, today, for example, they listed 11 Yemenis, 11 Yemenis, I mean, who United Arab Emirates, uh, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United States, the U.S. State Department, day-to-day sanctions, 11 Yemenis, 11 Yemenis, and two organizations, uh, as what, as terrorists or as a supporter of, of, of terrorism.
Uh, these 11 persons are based in Riyadh.
Most of them are still based in Riyadh.
So one might, um, wonder why all this, uh, happened, but this is, this is how Saudi Arabia deals with, uh, with the issue only.
All right.
Well, so there's another major important piece of news here.
Uh, even as reported by Fox news, who, uh, generally lean far to the right on these issues, they say America's role in Yemen war must end U.S. lawmakers demand more than two dozen house lawmakers.
That's the lower house of Congress in Washington, DC, um, led by, uh, rep row Kahana, a Democrat from California, along with representatives, Walter Jones, Thomas Massey, and other libertarian Republicans, uh, are pushing hard and they're going to have a full floor debate and a vote.
I believe it's on November the 4th in support of a resolution.
It's called H con res that's house concurrent resolution, H con res 81.
And they're invoking the war powers act, which Congress passed over Richard Nixon's veto back in 1973, uh, to reclaim their war powers.
Everybody says it allows the president to start a war for 60 days, but it does not.
All you have to do is read it.
It says he can repel an attack for 60 days.
It forbids him from starting a war.
It reinstates or restates, I should say, makes federal law the war power designation in article one of the constitution.
And, uh, they are invoking this war powers act to try to force an end to this war.
And this is not as they stress here in this article to this does not pertain to the drone war or the special operations forces attacking Al Qaeda and ISIS forces in the South.
This is about American support for the Saudi and UAE war that we've been talking about.
That's against the government.
Now that's a coalition of the Houthis from the North and the former American backed leader Salah and the army divisions loyal to him, uh, fighting against the American backed and Saudi backed, uh, puppet Hadi who they tried to replace solid with back in 2011 and 12.
All right.
So, um, listen, and you know what, sorry to interrupt your interview here, but here's a little call to action.
I don't do this very often, but the thing of it is we have a little bit of time.
We have real momentum behind this and there's no pretension that the authorization to use military force after September 11th authorizes this.
This is a war that's fighting for Al Qaeda and ISIS against their enemies, the Houthis, and they can't pretend that the old AUMF covers this thing.
And, uh, right now in Washington DC, I know the Saudis have a lot of money, but they're as unpopular as they've ever been.
And, um, as Rahm Emanuel and Condoleezza Rice say, you always want to exploit people's fear to get what you want.
I mean, take advantage of every situation that you can in a crisis to see if you can get something positive through.
And in this case, the war in Yemen is so bad that even members of the House of Representatives are beginning to object.
And we may not win this vote, but it'll set a huge precedent if we can have a real fight over it.
So people are always asking me, what can we do about this besides listening to a show and reading an article?
Well, this is it.
Badger your Congressman.
And remind him, this isn't about fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS.
That's a separate issue.
I'm also against that.
It only makes them more powerful.
But anyway, this is about the war against the Houthis and against the civilian population of this country.
And it is something that you can do is let them know that you do care about this and that you insist that they do.
And it's not a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
Um, and so please try if you can.
All right, now back to the interview.
Uh, Hey Nasser, listen, man.
Um, so I, I spoke with Claire Manera from Doctors Without Borders back, I'm going to say in March.
And she said, yeah, you know, three, uh, 30,000 people have cholera right now.
And then I spoke to her in June and she said, yeah, now it's more like 300,000 and I just read a report right now.
I have a report right here from, uh, the independent, uh, in Britain, more than 770,000 people have been infected with cholera in five months.
And, uh, at least a couple of thousand, a few thousand of them have died.
Although I don't know, Claire told me it's almost impossible to count and, and to know exactly, uh, because the, the transportation and distribution, uh, of everything, uh, including the dead is, is, uh, all so paralyzed by the war.
But I, I was just wondering if you could tell me, um, you know, the best that you know about what is the status of the cholera epidemic in Yemen right now?
Oh, thank you very much.
Um, it's now for the statistics of the United Nations and the World Health Organization, WHO yesterday and today, today, today, because we have today that you in, uh, you in relief chief, uh, Mark Locke, he arrived hours ago here in Sanaa.
And he said this, that the number of Yemenis who have been, who are infected by cholera until, uh, beginning of this month are 800, uh, and, uh, 800,000, which means more than this, which means that one Yemeni, uh, uh, gets infected bare minute.
Now, bare minute gets infected by cholera.
This, uh, means, uh, uh, this is only, uh, a part of the humanitarian crisis, which is the worst in the world.
It is just very, uh, small thing.
Uh, a cholera is just a result of what is Saudi Arabia doing.
It is a result of destroying that, uh, clean water and food, clean water facilities and food.
So, uh, the cholera is, uh, is something that was made by Saudi Arabia by the bombings, by the airstrikes, by, by, by destroying the clean water, uh, destroying the bridge, uh, the road and, um, uh, the food and, uh, uh, water facilities.
This is a natural, uh, result for them, the people now that, uh, I mean, for the starvation, for example, the starvation, which is also a Saudi policy to fight Yemenis.
We have now, um, uh, 8 million, at least 8 million Yemenis who, who are at the brink, at the brink of, of, of, of famine.
And about 20 million who need, um, humanitarian assistance in a way or another, they don't know where the next meal would come from.
This is also a result of what Saudi Arabia is doing.
Saudi Arabia is using the starvation as a weapon to kill and destroy Yemen, to kill Yemenis.
So cholera and starvation are weapons at the hand of US backed Saudis.
Unfortunately, today, as I told you, the UN relief chief arrived here to see this disaster, this catastrophe, but unfortunately that Saudi Arabia continues to mislead the world.
They say Saudi Arabia, that it's about in a way to cover its crime.
So Saudi Arabia, unfortunately killing and destroying, and at the same time, misleading the world.
This is the problem.
This is why this big catastrophe and this big humanitarian crisis, does not take enough attention.
The world does not know what's going on in Yemen.
This is, this is the problem.
And this is why now there is, this is why now there is, there are lawmakers inside the house of representatives, I mean, American house of representatives and the Senate also there in the Congress in general, they hear from the activists, from the media, they hear about this crisis and they want to do something to stop because they know to stop these crimes and these war crimes, because they know very well now, they know very well that these war crimes would not have happened without the American support.
And this is why the representative from California, as you said, and now is leading a resolution, which is, which is now as a hashtag everywhere resolution to try to stop the U.S. support for the Saudi war crime, because this is dangerous to the interest, the national interest of the national security of the United States.
And we hope that the lawmakers could do something and especially that we see that the number of those who are in the house of representatives, especially that we see that the number of those who are sponsoring this resolution are until today, I think 33, 33.
The initiative started only with Mr. Red representative from California, but now those who are sponsoring the resolution are 33.
I just today, I think at 33, which means we, they could do something to help Yemen.
Inshallah.
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Now listen, um, I want to make clear here to people too, and everybody can, can search this yourself.
But, and most people already know, I think that the care and feeding of all of Saudi Arabia's fighter jets is all done by Americans, American servicemen and contractors and civilian officers over there helping them.
Our intelligence agents help them pick the targets are, um, it's at least rumored, incredibly rumored that American pilots even sit in the back seats of these F 15s helping fly the princes all the way to their targets as American Air Force planes refuel them in midair so that they can reach their targets and return home.
And as the American Navy enforces the blockade offshore.
So, um, as Nasser has said on the show repeatedly, even the people of Yemen call it the American war that the plausible deniability doesn't work on them.
This is America's war.
Saudi could not do it.
If Barack Obama hadn't given them the green light and all of this support.
When we say support, when Nasser says support, he's not just saying rhetorical support or, well, yes, we still give Saudi aid.
We're still continually sending them more and more weapons, more and more bombs to use and all the logistical support they could possibly need to carry out this war.
It is absolutely an American war, no different than Bush marching the third infantry division into Iraq from Kuwait in 2003.
And that's the level that it is now.
Um, uh, so I want to ask you about the casualties because, uh, I saw war hawk, uh, repeating a claim by the UN that, eh, maybe as many as 10,000 people have died, which somehow that should be an acceptable margin of, uh, of deaths of people in this conflict.
Somehow, uh, that's certainly a low ball estimate of the number of people who have died in this conflict.
And I'm wondering, I mean, I know that you've been really looking into this yourself and doing your own original reporting on body counts at the morgues and these kinds of things.
So I was wondering if you can really give us your best estimates of casualties here.
And if you could even please differentiate between, for example, people who are really killed in battle or bombed, uh, in airstrikes versus, and in even combatants versus civilians, if you can.
Uh, and then also people who are just deprived to death, for example, dying of cholera when they're of course, that epidemic only exists because of the war, uh, and that kind of thing.
So, and I'll let you have as much time as you want.
If you could please parse all this for us as best as you can.
I know it's difficult.
Yes.
Thank you very much.
We have, we have two kinds of, of Yemenis being killed every day.
Two kinds of Yemenis being killed every day.
Now, uh, the first kind of Yemenis who are being killed every day is by the, is by the, the air strike, the Saudi, the U.S. backed airstrikes.
These are estimated according to my own observations and some other human rights groups, local human rights groups, because the international human rights groups take only what UN says.
UN says UN does not say the truth.
Also for its reasons, because it doesn't know it couldn't, it doesn't have statistics.
That's right.
But we in the ground, we in the, we Yemenis in the ground activists, Yemeni journalists, uh, uh, human rights groups.
We estimate these Yemenis who were killed, uh, uh, in their houses or schools, hospitals, farms, weddings, funerals.
They are more than 60,000.
Yeah.
So, uh, Yemeni civilians more, I'm saying more, and I'm responsible for this.
And those who, the dudes who say, they should approve something else.
They can, they can say something else.
They can count or they can do whatever they could, but I am, uh, uh, I am estimating them as more than 60,000 Yemeni.
This is one kind of Yemeni being killed every day.
The second kind is those who are killed by, uh, by starvation by Saudi, maybe starvation.
These are countless.
These are very few, very big number.
We can estimate this number by saying there is one Yemeni, uh, one Yemeni, uh, dying there.
And there is one Yemeni child being, uh, or dying, dying there five minutes as a child.
This is because of what?
This is simply because of starvation, because of hunger, because of hunger related reason.
We have, can you tell us a little bit, tell me a little bit about how you come up with those numbers.
Can you, yeah, that's right.
I feel you, uh, uh, the UN, for example, UN, for example, estimate the children who are malnourished, not who are dying.
Not who are starving, but who are malnourished as 2 million Yemeni, 2 million Yemeni.
Of course, those who are malnourished already, who are counted by UN, they can't recover easily.
They can't, but many more are added up.
Many more are, it's only increasing, increasing.
The number is increasing day by day because of what?
Because the same reason it is still there.
It's still existing.
What is the reason?
The reason is the blockade.
What does that mean?
That means no food, no medicine, no water, clean water.
Um, and all these things that the Saudi Arabia, you is using the blockade as a weapon.
They want to end the battle.
They want to end the war that they want, that they expected only two weeks to end it.
So this is why we are saying the number is very huge.
And it's enough for those who want to know why I'm saying this or why I, it's enough for them to know that the UN is saying is killing the world.
That humanitarian crisis is the worst in the world.
And this of course can give the people or your audience now a lot of, a lot of things to, to, to understand the situation.
It is the worst we see.
I as Yemeni, I, I see, I saw Yemeni dying of hunger or at least of hunger, related reasons.
I have seen them with my eyes.
So how, how can I just go to the website of UN and tell you who's being killed or who's dying here in Yemen?
I can't do this.
It is wrong to say this.
It is not right.
It is not right.
And I challenge the UN officials themselves here in Sana'a when they say they have been saying that 10,000 Yemenis have been killed and they have been using this number for two years now.
This is not right at all.
So this is why I am saying that the number is much, much, much higher than the number of the figures given by the UN because we are, we are living the problem.
We are living the catastrophe.
We are seeing, I am seeing the people in my neighborhood, in my city, in my villages, in everywhere because you can just imagine now if you want, you can just imagine 1 million public servants and I am one of them.
1 million Yemeni public servants without salaries for one year, not only one year, 13 months until today, 13 months without salary, without job.
And this is because this is because what you, what you said before about how they moved the central bank down to aid and, and cut off all the former government employees in the North.
Exactly.
And the other thing is that this, the cut of salary by dismantling the central bank and what was done would be what was done would be approval of UN and UK officials.
Unfortunately, this step would not have taken.
It was very dangerous, especially that the world's bank won.
I didn't expect the world's bank did not want them to, to take the bank to aid them.
And the world bank was right because it did not even solve the issue of the people in the North, in the South.
The people in the South are also without salary and today and they can, they can blame more than the people here in the North.
You can just imagine because it was very random.
It was very unwise.
It's very quickness.
Weakness is good to do that.
That's what a crime by, by, by moving the bank to aid them.
They didn't even solve the problem to the people in the South because it is still functioning badly and and badly.
So it is not, it is not, it is not benefiting anyone.
It is not benefiting the people in the North, not benefiting the people in the, in the South.
This is the problem.
And this is why the world's bank stood.
I didn't miss the step, but because of UK and US government, that Saudi Arabia dismantled the central bank, making a 1 million Yemenis who support about 10 million, 10 million Yemenis because the 1 million is that the public service, but they have, they have about 10 million family members.
So you can just imagine now third of the population, third of the population are without salaries for one for more than one year.
All right.
Now you told me before, I think that there was a UN official came to sauna and that you challenged him on the body count and that he immediately conceded that, Oh yeah, no, you're probably right.
All I'm saying is the most minimal estimate that I know of.
From, from that time he's my, yes.
Can you tell us that story again, please?
Could you?
Yeah, that's right.
This is the, and then, uh, UN chief in Yemen, uh, UN relief chief in Yemen, Mr. Jimmy, who is enemy of Saudi Arabia because of these things.
He's now an enemy of Saudi Arabia because of, of the, of the interviews I and other generals with him.
He's a Saudi Arabian hate him very much.
He, when I, when I challenged him about the number, he simply told me, he simply told me nothing.
Uh, I can't say numbers without talking and I agree with him 100%.
I agree with him 100%.
He of course, he, as UN chief, uh, in Yemen, he can say numbers, uh, from his mind, from his head, he can't do it at all.
And it's wrong for him to do this, right?
But at the same time, he said something that can make people understand why I am saying now more than 60,000 Yemeni civilians were killed by Saudi Arabia.
It is right at home.
It's called hospitals, wedding funerals, and all these places, not in battle in their homes.
Yes.
He said 60% of the health facilities were destroyed.
Who destroyed them?
I thank him very much.
And I still thank him.
So we don't have health facilities to give you the document to give you the documents.
So I'm so all skills in in Toronto or in the, on the day on that day or in that month or whatsoever.
So, okay, but we are now feeling people what we see with our eyes.
People are being killed every day, every day by you.
That's how the air strikes every day.
So who can tell me now that it's only 10,000?
No, not 10,000 at all.
At all.
At all.
At all.
So, so and there's another thing.
There's another thing that happens between me and this man.
Uh, who's then the UN chief in Yemen, Jamie Mac, uh, Michael, Michael, uh, Jamie, uh, uh, Michael, Michael, and he said that, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Saudi, I mean, uh, a day that people, a day that people is destroyed now and it's part of that location, right?
You say you say the bot for the cranes for, for, for this, for the, for the, for the day that people, it's about these four cranes in order to break the, in order to break the hardware.
Uh, in January this year, that is about, about, about nine months or about 10 months now.
And the chief of the world food program, Mr. David, basically was the one who, who, uh, who was following the crane, delivering the crane to Saudi Arabia until now refused, refused to deliver or to allow the wealth, the wealth food program to deliver the train from Dubai to a data.
And the beginning, the cranes arrived to the, to the data nearby that today, the harbor and Saudi Arabia forced the ship to return to Dubai.
So when I asked the UN chief in Yemen, you didn't even tell the world why you didn't even tell the world.
What Saudi Arabia is doing, Saudi Arabia is violating all the laws by doing this.
And he told me, I can, he told me if the people who bought the crane could not kill Saudi Arabia, how could I tell Saudi Arabia?
I want you to understand this story.
It's very important.
He's told me that if the Americans who bought the crane for $4 million, could not Saudi Arabia to allow them to deliver the South to deliver the crane.
So how can United Nations?
How can I tell the Saudi Arabia?
I couldn't.
And this is why the lawmakers inside the congress, like raw camera and, uh, uh, uh, uh, Mark, um, Mark, who can, and, uh, and, um, uh, so mass mass there and the Walter Jones, these are heroes.
They are talking about only about this.
They say Saudi Arabia can't even allow our, the American age to, to, to, uh, to be, uh, delivered to Yemenis who need these days.
And this is why now they are making this big thing inside the Congress, because they couldn't believe that Saudi Arabia is doing all these friends without being accountable.
All right.
Now, um, I'm going to see what I can do to get this guy on the show and see if I can talk with him about it.
I found him here.
Uh, it's, uh, Jamie McGoldrick, uh, kind of a hard one there.
And Goldrick.
I can give you the number.
I can give you the email.
He's very welcoming.
He likes journalists and you, he can talk to you.
Okay, great.
Yeah, that'd be great.
I'd really like to get him on.
And, and listen, I think it's really important that we talk about this every time NASA is this huge article, hugely important article in the New York times.
It ran on March the 13th, 2016, one year into, uh, this phase of the war, quiet support for Saudis and tangles us in Yemen, quiet support for Saudis and tangles us in Yemen.
And here's the all important paragraph here.
It says two things that, uh, and this is not a scoop found out.
This is, I think they got 17 official white house sources or something.
This is a huge press release basically by the white house to the New York times explaining their role here and, and you know, telling their side of the story of why they're doing this.
And they can see, they say that the president's advisors knew all along, uh, Obama's that is, uh, in the spring of 2015 that the Saudi led offensive quote would be long, bloody and indecisive.
In other words, they knew it would not work.
They knew the stated goal of putting hottie back on the throne in sauna was a fool's errand.
Sorry to coin a phrase, but that it wasn't going to happen.
And they did it anyway.
And why it says in the same paragraph after the nuclear deal with Iran, which actually on the face of it protected Saudi security interests by restricting the Iranian nuclear program far worse than ever before.
Uh, far more than any in history.
Um, they were upset about it cause it threatened their place in the Middle East order.
They were afraid Obama was going to tilt toward Iran like the battle days or something.
And so as it says here, the white house needed to placate the Saudis placate the Saudis.
And that was why they decided to green light this war, which again has been waged with, uh, American cooperation all this time.
And this is Obama's side of the story.
Okay.
This is Obama's white house telling the New York times to tell us, well, we knew it wouldn't work, but we had to Pat the Saudi princelings on the head and make them feel better after we entered into a nuclear deal, which actually protects them from the threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon.
But anyway, that's how we got here where, where our friend Nasser here is talking about babies dying of cholera by the thousands of thousands and uncounted thousands here to placate the Saudis.
So anyway, just a little bit of a contrast for you between the reason and the consequences, you know, to see that in for the absurdity that it is Scott, could you say, could you, could you say your question?
Sure.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't really ask one.
Well, what's your response to that Nasser?
How do you like that?
Finding out that this is why your country is being sacrificed.
Yes.
Um, Obama wanted to placate the Saudis, but now Trump wants to placate him more and more by canceling that nuclear deal.
And he might do it.
He might do the step, which would be, um, worse for everyone.
It's Yemen.
Yemen is Yemen is, uh, uh, is that the victim of all these Yemen is being destroyed and killed by Saudi Arabia for, because of Iran, as they say, and they are not right because, because Yemen did not do anything.
Yemen does not deserve all this because, uh, what, who are being killed now are the Yemenis.
The innocent Yemeni, the civilians.
And this is very, very dangerous.
And I think if it's out, if you, if does not help to end this aggression, it would be a big problem to, to, to the United States as people and as administration, because these crimes, these crimes being committed every day, I think are unprecedented.
No one can imagine them.
No one can imagine them.
We see people dying every day because of hunger, because of Saudi made hunger, Saudi made hunger and United States is helping Saudi to stop Yemen.
This is a big, big problem.
Yeah.
You know, um, I meant to say earlier, I'm sorry, um, that Matthew Aikens, the great reporter, he's a great war reporter on the Afghan war and other conflicts.
Uh, he reported for Rolling Stone and talked about on the show.
He took a rubber dinghy from, from, uh, Somalia across the Bab al-Mandeb there, the Straits and the Red Sea and got to Yemen.
And he went to the North and he said the entire towns up there were just devastated that they were hitting civilian targets all over the place, office parks and marketplaces and the local car dealership and everything that they could, that they were just decimating, uh, the landscape up there, that it was clearly a broad scale war being waged against.
And people can find that in the archives where Aikens saw it firsthand and testified to it on this show there.
Now, let me ask you one more question here to wrap up.
Uh, let me just say one point.
Sure.
Saudi Arabia prevents international journalists, including, uh, uh, right.
I know, I know.
He had to sneak across.
That's right.
To get in Americans who are not, who are not allowed to come to Yemen.
If the American, only if the American journalists allow are allowed to come to Yemen, the people of the American people and everyone in the world will understand better what Saudi Arabia is doing.
What we want now is to help us what we want the Congress and every Freeman in Freeman and every woman in the United States is to help us to send the American journalist to Yemen to see what is happening on me.
What is happening?
Yeah.
All right.
One more thing here.
Um, which is the Houthis.
Now, you know, the Iranians warn them, everybody demonize Iran for their responsibility for all this.
But even Obama himself admitted that Iran warned the Houthis.
And I guess Salah as well, their friend, uh, an ally now, former enemy and now ally to not march on sauna because that would provoke the Saudi reaction that we ended up seeing happen.
And I wonder, you know, the Houthis traditionally have not ruled the capital city, right?
The, uh, their political movement, the Zaydi Shia, they were not the, the dominant faction in the capital.
I wonder whether if there could be a negotiation or maybe they can save face, but still ultimately withdraw from the capital and have some new kind of coalition.
If not, you know, hottie or the next Saudi sock puppet in there, is there room for negotiation there?
Or now that they've been attacked, the Salah Houthi Alliance will is solidified in power and they will stay no matter what.
And the Saudis are just going to have to give it up.
What do you think?
You see, in fact, to continue to continue, the negotiations are made by everyone.
I mean, by all parties everywhere.
Including us and UN and UK, they know how dangerous it is to see the crimes in Yemen continue.
So that yesterday, the ambassador in Yemen who hasn't seen Yemen at all, he's based in Riyadh, unfortunately.
So he said yesterday that there is no military solution for Yemen and there must be, there must be a negotiation.
There must be a recent solution.
Of course, everyone, everyone tries to help.
And there is some kind of, you know, if I can do another leak, there are a lot of leaks about a new deal that will lead to the resignation of Hadi and forming a presidential council from all parties, including from the Saudis.
From all parties, including Saudi, of course, which is the group now.
But the problem is not here.
The problem is not the negotiation.
The problem is not what we negotiate about.
The problem is how to convince Saudi Arabia that Yemen should be left alone.
And as Yemen, not stop Saudi Arabia from thinking to turn Yemen to a backyard garden.
This is a problem.
But Saudi Arabia, they now, when they see that the Americans want to help to solve the problem, they bring their big line about Iran and about this and about that.
And about smuggling weapons, Iranian weapons, and about supporting about missiles, about these things.
This is not right.
What is right is that the US should stop the extortionist style in dealing with Saudi Arabia about Iran.
And they will understand because they know that it is.
Solving the problem in Yemen is is is is is reducing or would mean reducing that in Iran and so on.
But lifting the war is helping Iran.
And it is helping guide ISIS.
It is helping Iran.
Iran is winning by this war every day.
Iran is winning without losing without losing anything.
Yes, yes.
And winning every day because of the activity of Saudi Arabia and the American support.
So the negotiation can be resumed in minutes.
But there must be one thing that should happen at first, which is the halt of aggression, the halt of airstrikes.
That the end of and the end of the case, because now Yemen is located and the air strikes every day, everywhere, killing everyone in the home, home, the school, hospitals, farms, funerals, weddings, everywhere, everywhere.
So if this is stopped, then they could find easy.
They could find easily the solution, the peaceful solution they are talking about.
And they could also fight Saudi Arabia and US and everyone.
They could fight Iran by this, but letting the war continue, they are helping Iran because Iran is not losing at all.
Iran is winning from this war.
All right.
Thank you very much for your time again on the show, Nasser.
I really appreciate it.
You're most welcome.
Thank you very much, Scott.
All right, you guys, that's Nasser Arabi.
I'm sorry.
I should have said at the beginning, uh, he runs an organization called Yemen.
Now Yemen Alon, it's called a Yemen now, and you can just Google up Nasser Arabi.
It's actually spelled just like it sounds.
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