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It's our friend Dan McAdams from the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity.
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And very happy to have you back on the show.
Welcome to it.
Dan, how are you?
I'm okay.
How are you?
Okay, good.
I'm sorry I hit the phone button because I'm so used to.
But I got you on Skype here.
Sound loud and clear for us.
Great.
So listen, great journalism here.
Thank you for writing it.
Bothers the hell out of me.
U.S. turns blind eye to Lugansk massacre.
And it's really remarkable.
Not just the killing of the people, which you're going to tell that story too.
But the unreality of the narrative.
This is one of those that's pretty far to the distribution curve of how kooky the official narrative can be and still be the official narrative.
But anyway, first of all, what the hell happened in Lugansk on June the 2nd, Dan?
Well, as far as you can tell, and it's been backed up by OSCE observers who were there on the ground and other analyses.
An official EU organization, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, correct?
It's actually a bigger organization than that.
I think it has 50 some countries, including the U.S. as members.
I see.
So it's a big group and they had a monitoring mission there and they saw it as well.
And to everyone who looked at it, who analyzed it, it looked like a missile shot from a Sukhoi fighter jet into the regional administration building.
And, you know, it clipped the top of the trees in a park across the way before it went in and it killed, I think, at least five or seven people, I think.
And, you know, I don't know if anyone has a stomach to look it up, but there are some absolutely gruesome scenes on YouTube of people dying, you know, right in front of your eyes.
So it was it was like right around three o'clock in the afternoon.
And this is a big walking area.
And so there was, you know, there's plenty of cameras to cover it.
And really, I mean, it boils down to this.
It's very simple.
The forces in Kiev using the military against civilian targets or in civilian areas and heavily civilian areas.
And as I wrote in the piece you mentioned, I mean, it's just absolute silence, not only just silence on the part of the U.S., they're actually commending the forces in Kiev for their, quote, restraint.
All right.
Now, hold on one second, because we got plenty of time to talk about the politics and the narrative and all that stuff.
But back to the actual event here, the building that they were attacking and you talk about you have the direct quotes in the article and everything here at Ron Paul Institute dot org, where, you know, just like one would imagine from seeing Hollywood movies or where you have a bunch of rockets being fired from the air.
And so there's a line of impact craters leading to the building that they attack.
But now.
So what building were they attacking again?
Who was in there?
Why were they?
Is there any indication of why they would use these kind of tactics rather than sending in, say, I don't know, cops or soldiers that they would attack from the air in this fashion?
Well, it's a good question.
You know, there had been the Sukhoi's in the area hitting some some different checkpoints and things of that nature that have been commandeered by the self-defense forces.
So they were in the area.
This particular building is the regional administrative building, and it had been sort of commandeered by the, you know, the self-defense people, the pro autonomy, the ones who want to break away from Kiev.
So they had been using that as their headquarters, ironically, sort of paralleling the occupation of administrative buildings in Kiev when the Maidan was running full force.
And if you remember at that time, the U.S. demanding that the Yanukovych government do nothing to kick these people out.
So now that those same guys are in power, they just shoot a missile into the building.
Sorry, jumbo jet flying by.
I had to slam the window shut.
Of course, bad timing on my part.
I hope it wasn't a Sukhoi.
Yeah, no, I have relative security here.
I'm more likely to have to deal with ground troops probably, right?
Oh, well.
So, OK, now they, I guess, back to the media and the Western governments here, they just basically like a kid just stuck their fingers in their ears and says, I can't hear you, Dan.
I don't know what you're talking about.
What I saw was an explosion, which means that these guys must have blown themselves up just to make their enemies look bad, huh?
Yeah, and also the way the U.S. basically repeat the line, the line that Kiev sets forth.
They've done this over and over again.
And it's you know, I wasn't there.
I don't know exactly what happened.
But I do know that there's a pattern of lying on the part of the Kiev regime and also the U.S. government.
That goes without saying.
But what they tried to claim is that the forces inside the building were using a heat seeking missile instead of honing in on the Sukhoi.
It found an air conditioning unit and went ahead and hit that.
And that's what caused the problem.
That doesn't explain a lot of things, including why on a day that apparently was not warm, where the windows were open, how you could attract something that requires several hundred degrees temperature, about four or five hundred degrees or nine hundred degrees of temperature to be hit.
So it just didn't it didn't fly.
The other thing we pointed out in the article, and this is, you know, sometimes the mainstream media inadvertently get some things right.
If you remember The New York Times a while ago, send a team into eastern Ukraine to look for all of these Russians that have supposedly leading this revolt.
And they they found none.
Well, in this case, there was CNN sources on the ground and CNN did report on the on June 3rd, the next day, that based on all of their sourcing in the area, it appears to have been it was something shot out of an airplane.
So, you know, you have that.
Yeah, I mean, the line of of impact craters there from the rockets, that's pretty obvious.
And yeah, again, as you say, it's the the OSCE monitors who are saying as much.
And so you can call it confirmation bias if you want.
But the point being that this wouldn't seem to confirm their bias.
This would seem to be contrary to what whatever political pressure on them would have them say, which is certainly not that Kiev came in with a plane and just started bombing these people on the ground in this eastern city.
Yeah, exactly.
No, you're absolutely right.
So that's why to give it a little bit more credibility when it's doesn't seem like what they want us to think.
Certainly.
If this were the only event, you could see something anomalous happened, something unusual happened.
But, you know, this is a pattern of the behavior of the military that that Kiev controls.
You saw it.
We certainly we saw it in in other parts of of the Donetsk region.
And you already mentioned they've been turned away.
They've been they've had their their border crossings seized.
They've been ransacked or mobbed by old ladies in the street who tell them, turn your damn armored personnel carriers around and get the hell out of here.
And they do.
They surrender to them or to the young men who come and say, give us your weapons where.
So they've had so many failures.
I mean, the right sector guys, they're they're tough guys fighting civilians in the streets or whatever, but put them in an actual military situation.
They don't know their ass from their elbow.
Right.
And so they don't really have the ability to win.
Not that they're up against professional military forces either.
But so they're kind of left with this sort of desperation, just shooting from the air because they don't have the ability to get any closer.
Oh, crap.
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Welcome back to the thing here, man.
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The article is U.S. turns blind eye to Lugansk massacre.
It's running today at antiwar dot com as well.
I believe it's the spotlight today at antiwar dot com.
Yes, indeed.
And so I'm sorry, Dan.
Where were we in the Kiev putsch government's attempts to put down the, I guess, independence declared voted and declared independence of eastern Ukraine or parts of eastern Ukraine here?
Yeah, well, we're talking about the propaganda.
But, you know, what's funny when you talk about votes, if you if you notice, Dr.
Paul's weekly column came out late last night, early today, and he makes a great point that the U.S. really only recognizes elections when the candidate it wants wins.
You know, so when you have when you have a vote in Syria, I don't want to get off topic when you have a vote in Syria where it's obvious that millions of people went out and expressed their support for the current president, as the CIA has expected.
And as as all opinion polls have suggested, Kerry says that was a big zero.
That was a non vote, you know, that when you because because millions were not able to vote, they said, of course, those were in the areas that were controlled by the U.S.-backed rebels.
But in Ukraine a few weeks ago, when you had this vote where also millions of people were not allowed to vote, were not able to vote, the U.S. hails it as this great victory for democracy.
And so you had the same thing when you talk about, you know, Crimea voting to rejoin Russia.
Right.
Look at Egypt, too, and he just won this so-called election, which was nothing but a joke after he overthrew the government a year ago and has been chief field marshal ever since.
Yeah.
I mean, the parallels with Ukraine are so obvious, you know, and then you have the vote in in eastern Ukraine.
They wanted to secede and the U.S., as with Crimea, they freaked out and said, no, that's illegal.
That's illegal, according to the Ukraine constitution.
Well, why was it not illegal for these guys to overthrow the government?
Certainly that must be there must be something in the constitution about that.
But it's just the selectiveness of the U.S. government backed up by the servile U.S. media.
You know, they just simply ignore this fact.
So it's it's just incredible.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the thing of it is, though, it's I mean, John Kerry seems to be not just the guy spouting all this stuff.
He's the guy who believes it the most.
And everybody else is just shaking their head.
I mean, I guess there are a lot of people who are undecided because they just don't know the first or second or third thing about Ukraine at all.
So they don't know.
But does anybody believe what John Kerry says?
Because he's the source for it.
I mean.
But yeah, I mean, with the propaganda is so strong here.
I mean, try reading The Washington Post.
Try reading The New York Times.
I mean, they simply things that don't follow their narrative simply do not exist.
You know, they just simply don't report it.
And this goes back to what we were talking about earlier, the bombing in Lugansk, the current shelling over the last couple of days in Slavyansk area, where a number of people have been killed.
And frankly, the place is starting to look like Yugoslavia down there.
It's just simply not reported in the U.S. media.
It just doesn't exist.
So unless you spend hours like I know you do and I do as well, scouring alternative media, sifting out reports that you think are not easily backed up and trying to find some alternative, you just simply don't have the information.
It just doesn't exist.
You control reality.
It's like an electronic memory hole.
It's it's it's very frightening.
Yeah, no, I mean, and it really is, especially in this case where I mean, this is one great example.
And you actually had a great write up on the media cover up of what happened in the Odessa massacre, which I believe we talked about that at the time as well, where and as you mentioned here, too, where the media just outright refuses to acknowledge the truth about it.
And they will just, you know, go right ahead and report the opposite to be true.
I forgot exactly.
I'm trying to find it as I'm blabbing here in the article, but I think you link to a Washington Post or a New York Times article where it says, oh, yeah, here it is.
It's seen to have been done by pro-Russian rebels.
It's just like, oh, seem to have been, huh?
Whatever.
When it's so obvious that that's not the case, but they just tow that line no matter what.
And every time they report it, they reported as if these some, you know, whatever you want to call them, you know, anti-Kiev, pro-Russia, pro-secession, whatever you want to call them.
But they always make it out as if they're always shooting themselves.
They're always bombing themselves.
You know, and it's it seems to conveniently fit into their into their narrative.
But but, you know, what else is interesting today, Scott, and I don't want to get ahead of us, but this is talk about the hypocrisy and the irony, you know, starting, I think it was today, NATO is leading a Operation Sabre Strike in Latvia, where you have thousands of NATO troops conducting serious exercises right on the border with Russia.
You know, there was a B-52 flyover today.
You know, that's not provocative.
I don't know what is.
But but it's completely ignored here.
But yet, if you remember, when Russia was holding exercises on its own soil, the U.S. demanded that they cease and desist and get these soldiers out of there.
So the and the U.S. does have military now in the Baltics participating in this this military exercises, practice military exercise.
And so it's just the hypocrisy is astounding.
Well, and the level of danger is incredible.
You know, Ray McGovern's coming up and we're mostly going to cover the liberty.
But he wants to talk a little bit about Ukraine to former Soviet expert and Russia expert in the CIA.
And he and Eric Margulies, who also knows a hell of a lot about that area, going way, way back.
They are outright comparing this and not being hyperbolic.
They don't think anyway, you know, trust their judgment, however you like.
But they compare this to the setup for World War One.
This is big, stupid blunders being set right up like dominoes to fall.
And now, you know, usually worst case scenario doesn't prevail.
But then again, you know, even a mid case scenario means nukes going off, probably.
So this is this is an area where we just you know, I just played this clip of of Bill Bradley talking about the mistake of expanding NATO.
Well, so what does that mean then when like you're talking about they're doing these giant exercises with nuclear bombers flying around right on Russia's border in the Baltic states here and and, you know, promising Lockheed products to every government from Portugal to Belarus or what Belarus if they could to Poland?
Sure, absolutely.
What's what's even more astonishing?
And, you know, I've asked myself this.
I'm sure you have, too, is how did these guys get away with it in World War One, especially World War Two?
I mean, how how did these Germans go along with what was happening?
How did they not, you know, rise up against this dictatorship that was emerging?
And I mean, we're seeing it right in front of us.
And I think the question is being answered.
Look at how the media just simply blacks out information that goes contra to what the government wants them to know.
Right.
Like we're all Egyptians living under the CC media there.
Yeah, I mean, I just I've often wondered how it happens.
And that must be how it does happen.
You just keep the people ignorant of it.
You just keep waving the flag and saying we're fighting bad guys.
We're fighting evil.
And and here you have it.
I mean, I just I don't know no other any other way to explain or to understand it.
Well, I mean, that's the book of 1984 in a nutshell.
Everybody always focuses on the cameras and the telescreen and all that because that's the most personal part of it.
But the whole backdrop of 1984 is permanent war, World War Two forever, not atom bomb war, but World War Two level warfare forever and ever and ever so that they can take any excess wealth that you could use to improve your own life or your own society and sink it in the ocean or blast it off into space, as he put it, you know, in the floating fortress, aircraft carriers and all this and send it overseas now because we sort of we've we've halfway purchased a broken Ukraine.
And as you see, I think there was another, what, 50 million dollars that the president decided to send over to help them with their borders.
And these millions and billions are starting to add up.
You know, it's not enough to shore up Ukraine, which needs like, you know, 50 or 60 billion or more dollars to survive the year.
But it's enough to sort of keep certain things moving.
And it's enough to be more of a drain on our economy.
You know, so it's we we we we broke it, but we can't afford to buy it either.
Yeah.
Well, and the only politics is Obama isn't giving them enough weapons.
That's the only politics going on here.
He's the supposed dove, like in the propaganda from both sides.
And so the only people criticizing him are the hawks.
And nobody's criticizing him for being a hawk.
Nobody that matters, Dan.
So all the incentives are the wrong way on this thing.
And what about the hawks who warned us that Putin was was just verging on an invasion?
It was imminent.
I forget that guy's name, but there's some goofball who writes in Forbes who, you know, every day breathlessly writing about how the invasion was imminent.
You know, they get these things so totally wrong and they never lose their columns.
It doesn't seem.
But but what about that?
What happened with that?
You know, like you're saying about their debts, Putin would be crazy to try to take eastern Ukraine now.
And I think this is what part of what Ray is going to say is it still could happen if we force the situation and make it that bad that he really has to go ahead and cross the line there.
But still, it didn't.
The whole narrative that he's on the offense here is still wouldn't apply, even if he did take, you know, eastern Ukraine here in a little while.
Yeah, man.
Too long of breaks, too short of segments.
We got to go.
Thank you for your time, Dan.
It's great to talk to you again.
Thanks, Scott.
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