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Scott talks with Andrew Napolitano about the government crimes Edward Snowden and Julian Assange exposed. First, the judge gives some legal history and context to help us understand specifically what Snowden revealed back in 2013. That leads to a discussion of the sheer scale of illegal surveillance in which the intelligence agencies are engaged. They then turn to Julian Assange. Judge Napolitano goes over some history that highlights how absurd the legal arguments against Assange are. 

Discussed on the show:

• “Edward Snowden: An American in Moscow” (Antiwar.com)
• The Shadow Factory: The NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America by James Bamford

Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. Judge Napolitano has written seven books on the US Constitution. The most recent is Suicide Pact: The Radical Expansion of Presidential Powers and the Lethal Threat to American Liberty.

This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.

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Jacob Hornberger, founder and president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, briefly discusses the FFF’s Civil Liberties College Tour – featuring guest speakers Glenn Greenwald and Bruce Fein – that concludes today (October 19th) at the University of Colorado-Boulder.

Transcript:

http://scotthorton.org/2012/10/19/101912-jacob-hornberger/

http://dissentradio.com/radio/12_10_19_hornberger.mp3

 SCOTT HORTON INTERVIEWS JACOB HORNBERGER

FUTURE OF FREEDOM FOUNDATION CIVIL LIBERTIES COLLEGE TOUR

OCTOBER 19, 2012

 TRANSCRIPT

 SCOTT HORTON: All right, y’all. Welcome back to the show. And I’m happy to welcome Bumper Hornberger back. Hey, Jacob, how are you doing?

JACOB HORNBERGER: Awesome, man. Great to talk to you again, Scott.

SCOTT HORTON: So, it looks like you guys have had a really great thing going on here all week long. It’s the Future of Freedom Foundation and the Young Americans for Liberty Civil Liberties College Tour, and you guys have been all over the West this week, correct?

JACOB HORNBERGER: Oh, it’s been awesome, absolutely awesome. We went to Seattle, we went to the University of California at Davis, then down to San Diego, last night University of Arizona at Tucson, and we’re right now in Colorado at Boulder, University of Colorado. It’s been an absolutely fantastic tour.

SCOTT HORTON: Great. Well, so now tonight you are, like you just said, at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and then at what time is that?

JACOB HORNBERGER: That’s from 7 to 9 Mountain time, and we’re planning on livestreaming it. We’ve run into some technical difficulties at a couple of these venues, but so far we’re planning on livestreaming it. People can go to our website at fff.org and get our e-mail update and click into there for the livestreaming, and otherwise we’re going to be archiving on our website in the next couple of weeks. But if people are in the area, come to the venue. The exact location is again on our website on our e-mail update, under upcoming events, and, yeah, it’s going to be predominantly college students, but we’d love to have the nonstudents interacting with the students.

SCOTT HORTON: Yeah, there you go. So, yeah, this has been a real exciting thing. You’ve had Glenn Greenwald and of course the great Bruce Fein as well, Jack Hunter moderating, and now you’ve run into a couple of hiccups with Greenwald and Fein, is that right?

JACOB HORNBERGER: (laughs) Yeah. Poor Bruce, he had a stomachache right in the middle of the tour, and it got worse and worse, so we took him to the hospital and it turned out he had to have emergency surgery for a hernia, and so he’s out of the rest of the tour. You know, this fight for freedom, it’s tough, man, being on the front lines here, Scott.

SCOTT HORTON: Yeah, well, and you guys are keeping up an Iron Maiden like schedule here, too, playing all over the country like this.

JACOB HORNBERGER: (laughs) Right. And then Glenn had a conflict where he couldn’t work out the flights. He has to give a speech in Ottawa tomorrow night, so he won’t be there tonight, but we’re still trying – I don’t know if we can pull it off – of doing his speech by Skype tonight. And we’re working on that right now. But otherwise tonight it’s going to be me and Jack Hunter and we’ll be carrying the ball here at the last leg here.

SCOTT HORTON: That’s cool. Well, man, I wish I was in Colorado because I would really like to go to this thing. For anybody within driving distance of Boulder, even if you have to go over a mountain or two, why not show up for this thing. And, you know, what I really like about it is because you just think the same way as I do, which is that us libertarians need to lead the best of the left and the best of the right into getting their priorities straight and have a new realignment where the coalition is a coalition for, you know, the winning coalition, the majority coalition, is the coalition for peace and liberty instead of the coalition for the permanent warfare welfare state. And you are carrying this thing out. I mean, that’s what it means for you to be putting this thing together with Greenwald and Fein.

JACOB HORNBERGER: Well, it is so awesome, because Glenn Greenwald is, you know, one of the most prominent influential liberals in the country, Bruce is one of the most prominent influential conservatives, I’m a libertarian, and what we’re communicating to these kids is that it doesn’t matter whether you’re a liberal, a conservative or a libertarian. Some of them, they come to the event thinking there’s going to be a debate! Well, there’s no debate, because we’re all on the same page on this particular issue, the vital importance of civil liberties, and how horribly destructive this war on terrorism is, and U.S. foreign policy. So you can just tell, we’re really touching some chords with these kids, because they realize this transcends ideology and what label you put on yourself politically, and it’s just fantastic.

SCOTT HORTON: And then, for people who want to stream it live, the web address is right here: It’s fff.org/collegetour.html. And that’s again at what time tonight Mountain?

JACOB HORNBERGER: 7 to 9 Mountain time, and I can tell you that it’s really worth tuning in because the discussion period, the Q&A period, has been the best part. I mean, it’s just been fantastic. The questions have been fascinating, the lively exchanges, and – so, yeah, 7 to 9 Mountain time.

SCOTT HORTON: Okay, cool. Well, I sure hope that this interview results in a few more attendees.

JACOB HORNBERGER: Great! Well, thank you so much for taking the time to have me on and talk about the show, Scott. We really do appreciate it.

SCOTT HORTON: Well, I sure appreciate you guys too. Thanks a lot. I only wish I could be there. Next time.

JACOB HORNBERGER: (laughs) Well, come on out!

SCOTT HORTON: Yeah, you know what I’ll do? I’ll hop in my private helicopter and fly right over. It’ll be great.

JACOB HORNBERGER: (laughs) Well, what we’re hoping is while things are going so well that there’s always a chance we may do a Texas tour, so we would definitely expect you there.

SCOTT HORTON: Yeah, there you go. Well, Texas is pretty big. You might have to do a tour to just do the one state.

JACOB HORNBERGER: That’s what I’ve already been telling the guys that.

SCOTT HORTON: Well, stop by here. I’ll say something.

JACOB HORNBERGER: Sounds good, man.

SCOTT HORTON: All right, thanks Jacob. Appreciate it.

JACOB HORNBERGER: Thank you, Scott. Okay, bye bye.

SCOTT HORTON: All right, everybody, check out Jacob Hornberger and Jack Hunter tonight at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and Greenwald’s going to be there too, they’re working out the video link for Greenwald, who got stuck in Ottawa somehow. That’s the Future of Freedom Foundation Civil Liberties College Tour. It’s at fff.org/collegetour.html. You can watch the livestream there. Aw, and I meant to ask him – there’s going to be YouTubes of all five nights, I hope. Right? Gotta be.

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Stanford University law student Omar Shakir discusses the NYU/Stanford “Living Under Drones” report; the Obama administration’s deceitful accounting of Pakistani civilians killed by drone strikes; how drones subvert international law and make it easier to start wars; and the dangers of proliferation.

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Charles Goyette, author of The Dollar Meltdown, discusses President Obama and Mitt Romney’s scapegoating of China for the US’s economic problems; why we should be worried that the Federal Reserve is the biggest holder of Treasury bonds; the hypocritical pundits who complain about China’s currency manipulation; and how trade tariffs allow the government to pick winners and losers in business – while increasing costs for consumers.

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IPS News journalist Gareth Porter discusses “How the U.S. Quietly Lost the IED War in Afghanistan;” President Obama’s rhetorical style of chest-thumping warmongering; how every (incredibly expensive) US countermeasure against IED’s is defeated by simple, cheap modifications in bomb design; the surge in US casualties that followed Obama’s troop escalation in Afghanistan; a fourth round of P5+1 Iran talks concerning sanctions relief and 20% uranium enrichment; and evidence that even Israel’s Defense Ministry is giving up on war with Iran.

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Naureen Shah of the Human Rights Institute discusses the under-counting of deaths from US drone strikes; problems with applying “civilian” or “militant” labels to Pakistani tribesmen; the shortcomings in WWII-era laws of war; and how drones allow the Obama administration to start and escalate wars on the sly.

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Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and attorney for WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange, discusses the declassified documents that show the US Military Designated Assange “Enemy of State;” the stalemate between the British government, Assange, Swedish prosecutors, the DOJ and the Ecuadorian embassy; the rumored grand jury indictment against Assange for espionage; Bradley Manning’s sham trial; and why WikiLeaks is a legitimate journalistic organization like the NY Times, not a conduit for passing information to Al Qaeda.

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Eric Margolis, journalist and author of American Raj, discusses the war in Mali and “colonialism part 2” in Africa; why the MSM says every Islamic anti-Western group is “linked to Al-Qaeda;” consequences from the US-backed coup in Mauritania; France’s brutally efficient brand of colonialism; why India is developing ICBM’s that can reach the US; and the military-industrial-complex’s fear of the looming “fiscal cliff.”

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IPS News journalist Adam Morrow discusses the recent violent protests in Egypt; the constitutional conflict between Egypt’s President Morsi and the judiciary; the hidden hands trying to undermine the Islamic government and exacerbate religious tensions; and Morsi’s (and the Muslim Brotherhood’s) support for Syria’s rebels.

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