Alright everybody, welcome to the show.
It's Anti-War Radio.
I'm Scott Wharton.
And did you guys ever see the Simpsons where Homer finds out about how his mom took him to a hippie commune to live with George Carlin when he was a kid?
And he finds out because there's a giant mural on the wall.
He finds out that the J in Homer J. Simpson stands for Homer J. Simpson.
Because J was his middle name.
Gotcha, haha.
Well apparently that's the same thing going on here with MJ Rosenberg.
Who knew the J stood for J?
He's now leaving Media Matters.
Too bad for them.
And going to MJ, as in Homer J. Simpson, Rosenberg.com.
Welcome back to the show, how are you doing?
Okay, I'm doing great, thank you.
Good, I'm very glad to hear it.
That's a fine looking new blog you got there, MJ Rosenberg, I like it.
Well, thank you sir.
I'm going to be there.
I'm going to be at Al Jazeera.
I'm going to be at Huffington Post.
I'm going to be at Talking Points Memos.
I'll be on your radio show.
I think I'll pretty much be around, at least as much as I used to be, at Media Matters.
Media Matters did a ton for me in terms of my visibility.
I mean, I really wasn't that much of anything before I came there.
And now I'm pretty well known on this issue.
So it's been good.
It was a great ride, well lasted.
Well, that's very polite of you.
Now, what was the big deal why you had to leave?
Well, I didn't have to leave.
I wrote this as soon as the controversy began.
What happened was, the right is always trying to get Media Matters.
Because Media Matters is the number one organization going after the right wing media.
Particularly Fox News.
I mean, David Brock just wrote a book called The Fox Effect.
And it became like a bestseller instantly about how they have basically destroyed media news in this country.
Media Matters got rid of Glenn Beck.
Media Matters is running the anti-Rush Limbaugh movement.
So we're always, I shouldn't say we're because I'm not there anymore, but they're always under attack.
And mostly their issues are exclusively domestic.
So by having me being so far out there on the foreign policy issues, particularly the Israel issues, I was allowing, and I don't blame myself for that.
I didn't hire myself.
I was allowing the right to hone in on this.
Media Matters is anti-Semitic.
Media Matters is anti-Israel, all that stuff.
Which was just a distraction for the organization.
So I can't say it was like the pressure got to be too much.
It was more like the guilt got to be too much.
There was a lot of crisis management in terms of having to deal with all these insane right wing attacks.
It was just a confluence of hating Media Matters because Media Matters goes after the right, and then being able to use the Israel issue.
And I don't know if you saw the ad, the right wingers took out a full page ad in the New York Times, listing all these Jewish donors, telling all these Jewish donors and listing some of them, saying, well, do you know that you're supporting an anti-Israel organization?
So I mean, it's like, it's the most impossible situation.
Although that is kind of, as you say, that is sort of fight and fire with fire, because that's the way Media Matters fights too, is like the blacklist and the boycott and the you can't say that attitude.
We don't much say you can't say that.
Well, yeah, well, look, you just said, you know, the way you go after Rush Limbaugh or whatever, it's all what he says.
Well, that's true, except that we don't make anything up.
I mean, we really don't.
I mean, the thing about Media Matters is that it's got like around a hundred or so fact checkers to make sure that every single thing that comes out of here is accurate.
The thing with the right, you know, things like, I mean, all these right-wing publications, things like Commentary and National Review and Fox News, is they just make stuff up, which is really hard, which makes it really hard to deal with.
I mean, they're kind of, you know, it's, and they just make up stuff with me.
What is this idea of calling me an anti-Semite?
I mean, how can you call me that in addition to being Jewish?
And this is the fact that my wife was born in a displaced persons camp in Germany to Holocaust survivors.
I mean, you never see a way to, on the left, don't talk that way.
It's also, you know, you think about it, it takes the right to come up with a weird concept you can call Jews anti-Semites.
That really is a classic, even for them.
Jews are anti-Semites.
They used to just call us self-hating Jews.
That was like, okay.
But then this self-hating, you know, it's like the George Soros thing.
So George, they hate George Soros because George Soros, you know, gives money to Media Matters and to all these other liberal organizations.
So they change him from being someone who was a 14-year-old survivor of the Holocaust to someone who was a 14-year-old Nazi collaborator.
A Jewish boy in Germany.
In, I think it was Hungary.
I mean, that's where, you know, that's how you deal with dealing with the right.
So, I was able to leave, you know, I'm lucky.
I was able to leave Media Matters because it has no financial impact on me to leave.
I mean, you know, I'm 64 years old.
I've got, you know, I've got, I'm not saying I'm rich, but I've got enough money.
I've got enough money.
My kids are grown.
They've got enough money.
If I was young and they could succeed in getting me fired, that's what their goal is.
They really want to send out a clear message.
If you stand up against Netanyahu, if you stand up against that crowd, you will not work.
And if you aren't working, you aren't going to have food on the table.
That's their goal.
And, I mean, they do it with the media, but the main people they do it with is members of Congress.
Right.
It's like talking about whether they got me is insignificant.
Every single member.
The other day they had a vote in Congress, in the Senate, on this, you know, the latest Iran sanctions craziness.
You know, 99 senators were for it.
Only Rand Paul from Kentucky, you know, voted against it.
Actually, he stopped the bill from coming up.
He just used that power that they have in the Senate, you know, to object.
You know, one person can object and stop anything.
But 99 senators in agreement on anything?
The reason they were in agreement was it was pushed by AIPAC.
The reason that they're afraid of AIPAC is AIPAC funds their campaigns.
It's sickening.
I don't know if it's okay to plug another radio show on your radio show.
Yeah, yeah, do whatever you want.
Okay.
This past Sunday, the show, This American Life, did a whole thing on lobbying Congress and how it works.
And it is, I mean, I worked on the Hill for 20 years, and it was scary listening to it.
You know, all their shows are free.
And they have an application for your phone.
But it's just unreal.
And that's the way AIPAC operates, you know.
Oh, really?
You really want to not sign this?
You don't want to be on this resolution?
Well, okay, well, we'll remember that, because you're up for re-election in November.
That's the real root of the problem here is democracy.
The Israel lobby is really good at email lists and telephone trees and making sure that everybody stays on the same page.
We all like this congressman.
We all don't like that congressman.
And they get it done.
And other people are mad about that.
They get it done.
And the thing that this show points out, which never mentions AIPAC or the Israel lobby, for obvious reasons, because hardly anybody in media except you talks about the Israel lobby.
But they talk about all these other lobbies.
It's not.
It's everyone, doesn't it?
All right, now, I'm sorry.
We've got to go out to this break, but we've got a little bit of time when we get back.
It sounds like the answer is yes, is that Media Matters did stand behind you on this.
You just felt bad you were kind of bringing them down.
Is that right?
I don't think I was bringing them down, because they're pretty well financed and they're a good organization.
But it's making things difficult for them, and I don't want to do it.
I love Media Matters.
All right, hold it right there.
We'll be right back with MJ Rosenberg after this.
All right, y'all, welcome back to the show.
It's Anti-War Radio.
I'm Scott Horton.
I'm talking with MJ Rosenberg.
Yeah.
MJRosenberg.com.
Yeah, I think that people were kind of surprised at that, thought that J was some kind of a mystery name, like something exotic.
J-Y is about as boring a name as you can get.
No offense to it.
Well, to me, it's just a Simpsons joke from a long time ago.
That was pretty funny.
I wish I had that clip.
I have quite a few.
Oh, Homer J Simpson.
I think that was the one with George Carlin.
Yeah.
Zoe nods in the affirmative.
That was indeed the Carlin episode.
That was a historic one.
All right, so we're talking about the Israel lobby, and we're talking about the neocons and the battle over Media Matters and how you quit just because you're bringing a bunch of heat on Media Matters that you think is sort of beside the point from what their organization's real mission is, which is, I think, a very upstanding thing of you to do.
Well, it is upstanding, but it would be more upstanding if I was giving up my voice, too, and giving up, and didn't have any money and all that kind of stuff.
I mean, that's one of the things I often point out.
It's like people like me can stand up to the lobby Well, part of it, of course, is I'm not afraid.
I'm just not afraid to stand up to them.
I don't understand these members of Congress.
I mean, half of them have totally safe seats.
There is no way that the lobby could beat the likes of, let's say, he's now retiring Barney Frank.
We know Barney Frank probably, you know, he was not a hawk on Israel, but he sure sounded like one when he talked.
The whole United States Senate.
You know, I would really like to see Barack and the rest of Media Matters rally around to your position and just say, you know what, forget the Republicans.
They're going nowhere anyway.
Obviously, Barack Obama is walking back into the presidency here.
Why not have all of Media Matters come and rally to your defense and take on the Israel lobby?
They could do it with that Soros money.
Get out there and take a brave stand and face the Likudniks down.
It's not like they're right about anything or that you guys could lose a single argument to them on the merits.
No, I agree with you.
I absolutely agree with you.
I think what the feeling is, and it's always going to be a trap for progressives, is, you know, do we really want to risk the presidency over this issue?
I mean, not that we would, but, you know, politicians and people involved in politics are scared of their own shadow.
You know, I learned on Capitol Hill, and I probably said this to you before, too, it's like when a member of Congress decides to go along with AIPAC on some stupid resolution or bill, it's not because they're afraid they're going to lose their seat.
It's afraid they're going to lose a few votes, maybe, and a few thousand dollars.
They're so greedy up there.
I mean, and the White House is no better.
I mean, they want every last dollar.
They don't want to offend any donors, and I think it's one of the important things to know is the Democrats are just, well, I would say Democrats are worse than Republicans.
On this issue, worse than the Republicans, because Republicans have never mattered on this issue.
The people who matter on this Israel-Palestine-Iran issue are almost all Democrats.
And on that, it's the same as Republicans.
I mean, it's amazing.
When I worked up there, I worked for really good members of Congress, but I remember one in particular, you know, where it was like, I signed them up to be a co-sponsor of a bill to end discrimination against gays and lesbians.
This was way back.
It was called ENDA.
It was the name of the bill.
I don't remember what year it was.
Ninety-something.
And, you know, I might start to reveal a dirty little secret that staffers just on their own co-sponsor bills, but I just signed them up, you know, and co-sponsored the bill.
And he was a co-sponsor.
He saw that he was a co-sponsor, and he came up and he said to me, so you really want me to lose my seat?
That's what you want to do?
You think Congress will be a better place when I'm not in it?
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I think I was getting 80-some percent of the vote.
I just kept saying, yeah, I can lose 10 votes on this.
But every time you try to go against, you know, the big interests or conventional wisdom, they give you the song and dance that, oh, you want my opponent to win?
They're talking to their staffers.
I mean, really.
I mean, it's incredible.
And they're all on this Israel-Palestine issue.
There are so many staffers up there who are so disgusted by their bosses, but they can't do anything because the boss says the same thing.
Oh, you want me to lose?
And the staffer says, you get 92 percent of the vote.
It's just ridiculous.
Most of those seats are pretty safe, especially when you're talking about these guys who've been in there for two or three terms.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I mentioned before about this radio show on This American Life, there's this thing about lobbies.
And at one point, I think it was Barney Frank who said, well, you always have to remember that, you know, it cuts both ways.
On every issue, there's a lobby, you know, with money on one side handing out money, and there's one on the other side handing out money.
And that's true on a lot of issues, but it's not true on Israel-Palestine.
Or even really foreign policy in general.
Oh, no.
It's just, you know, the arms interests, the banks, the foreigners, they all agree that we need intervention.
Exactly.
There is no other side.
I mean, so it's like all the money.
So you really, you know, if you're a member of Congress, it's almost like it's easy pickings.
I mean, all you have to do is, you know, vote the AIPAC or whatever interventionist way, and you're going to get a lot of money.
Right.
In fact, when you think about it, you'll hear it very rarely.
There will be something like the controversy over the Armenian Genocide and whether America's going to pass a resolution condemning the Turks or something that happened during World War I and all of this.
And the lobbies break out in a big fight over an issue like that.
But that just kind of proves the silence or the crickets the rest of the time on any kind of foreign policy issue.
It all just sort of runs out of D.C. on autopilot as far as the American people are concerned.
And the only reason the Armenian Genocide issue was that there was money in that one was because the Armenian American community and its supporters gives lots of money.
And that becomes like an issue that's very important with California members of Congress, where there's a big community and there's lots of money changes hands.
I mean, that's the way it works.
It's not like the Israel issue is the only one like that.
But all the issues are about money.
And who is buying this?
You know, you mentioned the Armenian Genocide thing, which I totally believe there wasn't.
I totally believe there was an Armenian Genocide.
The only reason that we don't, you know, we didn't pass it was because of pressure from the Turkish lobby, which is very much connected with the arms industry and all that.
Because it's really interesting, the Israelis and the Jewish lobby were always on the side of the Armenians, because it would sort of like make sense because of the whole, you know, question of genocide and all that.
I bet next time it comes up, AIPAC should be on the, AIPAC is going to do whatever they can do, particularly to go after the Turks.
Because now they're really mad at the Turks.
The whole thing is very confusing.
Everything comes down to like, you know, what do these two lobbies have to say?
It's just, that's just crazy.
The whole thing.
Well, and you know, AIPAC and the ATC used to be real close organizations, maybe not so much anymore since the Mavi Mamar over there on the other side of the planet.
Well, that's a good point.
No, they're definitely not so much anymore.
And it all gets reflected, whatever AIPAC can tell Congress to do on this issue they're going to do.
Well, my colleague called me, well, my former colleague called me up to tell me that Congress is now threatening to cut off money to the Palestinian Authority because the Palestinian Authority is giving an award to Helen Thomas.
So the United States Congress would cut off aid to all these Palestinian people who get this, you know, who in theory get the money and aid to the Palestinians who consider it an interest of the United States, but we cut off the money because of Helen Thomas?
Are you kidding me?
No, it's real.
It's real.
Wow.
Yeah, a member of Congress is pushing this.
I thought she was the only one up there in a decade and a half in D.C. that I had any respect for in the media at all.
I know.
I know.
And it's just like the way they went after her and to her career.
It was so funny.
Did you see her interview when I'm the Semitic one and you're from Eastern Europe, lady?
Oh, yeah, well, that's the kind of talking that got her in trouble, you know.
But the thing is, that was such an obvious setup, too.
I mean, it was just crazy.
And what if, you know, so she apologized.
You know, on other issues you can just say, well, I misspoke.
God, how often do we hear that?
No misspoke, no.
From the right, continuously.
Like on this Trayvon Martin stuff now, it's insane.
No one has to apologize for that.
And no one loses their job over it, either.
The whole thing is just kind of amazing.
What things in America you're allowed to say, what things in America you're not allowed to say.
But one thing in America that congressmen are not allowed to say is that the Palestinians may have a point.
I don't know the reasons, but it was Bill Maher, I think, who really put it the best in his recent op-ed in the New York Times where he just sums up, he names a bunch of people from popular culture that I'm not really familiar with, but he basically goes through the list of like in the last year and a half the following people have been absolutely crucified over a choice of words.
And it's like, why?
What does that mean right now?
Okay, what if somebody did say something mean one time, but they got a good point this week?
What about that?
I guess you're guilty of guilt by association because I said some things one time, MJ, and you're on my show right now.
No, that is absolutely the way it is.
But it's only if you offend a special interest that has money behind it.
It usually is not just, you know, there's got to be somebody to bring the issue to the fore.
And on this issue, on the Israel issue, on the Palestine issue, and things like, think about it.
The Gaza War, there were 1,400 Palestinians were killed.
It wasn't even a war because only 10 Israelis were killed and most of them were just killed by friendly fire.
So basically no Israelis were killed.
Almost all civilians, 400 of them were little kids.
And MSNBC, the liberal cable network, never talked about it.
No, I mean, it was just like, oh, yeah, there's this war over there.
And it was started by the Palestinians because they logged a few missiles into State Road, and therefore you can kill 400 kids.
Yeah, well, you know what?
I actually was moving to L.A. right during that.
It was in January of 2009 and in L.A. in the local cable hookup where I was staying, they had CNN International, which you don't have in Austin, or at least didn't then.
And, wow, they actually are covering this and there's Israeli helicopters, I think it was helicopters, yeah, dropping phosphorous bombs that we already learned to recognize from the war in Fallujah and how they spread and all that.
But all you've got to do is click the channel clicker and it's not showing a single bit of it whatsoever.
So if you're at an international airport somewhere or if you're in Europe somewhere, CNN will tell you what's going on in the Gaza Strip.
Otherwise, forget it, here's more about a pop star who's in a personal relationship with somebody.
That's brilliant.
I never thought about that.
Actually, I do get it here in D.C.
I have CNN right next to CNN International.
And, yeah, it's so different.
In fact, I think that our attention span, when I watch CNN International, it's too much information for me.
I'm used to the way things are, the way American TV presents stuff, all these little, everything is simplified to the point where you can't recognize the issue itself.
It's insane.
I read this article today in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, which the interesting thing, of course, about it is the Israeli media is you can read all the things because they don't have APAC in Israel.
Right.
Which I find kind of hilarious.
They don't have an Israel lobby in Israel.
They just have Israel, so they can write whatever they want.
And the article by a writer named Akiva Eldar, who's so respected over there, one of their award-winning, Tom Friedman kind of guy, his whole article was about how Obama has not only sold out his own values, and what he believes in, on the Israel-Palestine issue in order to get elected, reelected, whatever, but has totally sold out all those people in Israel who count on the United States to put pressure on Israel so that Israel will do the right thing.
They get the legs cut out from under them by someone like Netanyahu who is able to say, well, why are you telling me that I can't build settlements?
Right.
I mean, so our policies, we hurt the Palestinians, we hurt the Israelis, the good Israelis, the good Israelis, the good Palestinians, all these people, to all pleas and interest group.
But meanwhile in Israel they're all reading about it, arguing about it.
You know, I wonder too, do Israelis really know that Americans like Sheldon Adelson are running the Likud government on the people of Israel maybe?
Is that really even right?
Is that overstating it?
I don't know what they know over there about him.
He did, though, in order to support Netanyahu he created a newspaper over there which is now the number one circulation paper the reason being it's free.
That's a real newspaper.
It's not like a free, it's on paper and he has the delivery system that something like in this country it would have been like 100 years ago where every single house in the country gets this paper and some kid on a bicycle tosses onto your lawn.
So he has had this American guy from Nevada who's dedicated his life primarily to union busting.
I mean, that's what he's really all about.
That's much more important to him is dominating their politics by buying it.
How many people in the world could possibly create a newspaper that you get to every single household in the country and it's free?
I mean, so their politics are bad there but they're nothing compared to this.
He wants to make Israel into kind of like a total free enterprise money-worshiping version of the United States and don't forget about the whole part with Israel.
Meaning spending American tax money on American weapons.
Yeah, exactly.
Nice free market.
That's what he wants.
I mean, these people are just incredible.
I don't know how many Israelis know about it or how many Americans know about it but I do know one thing in Israel you can find out about by reading the newspaper.
You've got a major newspaper like Haaretz and on this issue it tells the truth about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
We don't have a newspaper like that or The Guardian in Britain or anything like that.
And even Main Street certainly, I don't know what you call it, NPR, mainstream public radio certainly goes out.
Oh my God, it's so careful to be so balanced.
Balanced meaning pro-Israel so that not one dollar from a local newspaper gets cut off to a local station.
I mean, so it's everything.
And NPR is the best of them as far as means.
I consider NPR just mainstream media.
I mean, you've got to go to alternate media like you.
Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing.
NPR and the Larry Neuzauer type thing on PBS, they'll give you depth.
It's for intelligent people but they're still always, like you say, very careful about which questions they ask.
It's not just CNN, Movistar, Pablum all day, but it's not really much better when it comes to getting to the heart of the matter.
Well, you know, it's very hard.
I mean, think about it.
If you were in a position where you had to look over your shoulder every minute because you're going to be called in by the bosses who are going to say, what the hell were you talking about when you were in the office?
Paul Retz is anti-Semitic.
Right, exactly.
Like M.J. Rosenberg.
That's got to be stopped.
You know, the whole thing is crazy.
It's going to get crazier this year with the election.
I mean, hey, did you read the article in the Times about Netanyahu and Romney's personal friendship?
Yeah.
Since they're 29 years old they've been like best buds.
Good times, right?
If Romney becomes president he's not even going to need an AIPAC.
You know, that's funny too because they actually had a debate where him and Rick Perry and I guess Gingrich all got in a real big fight over who was closest to Benjamin Netanyahu.
And I wonder whether he invoked his 30-year relationship with this guy.
Well, what he said was Santorum went off as usual.
Santorum was insane and racist about the Palestinians.
He got a big applause from the audience.
And when he turned to Romney they said, well, Romney, would you have said that line about the Palestinians?
He said, well, unlike Rick Santorum who shoots his mouth off I would first clear it with Prime Minister Netanyahu.
And I thought, wow, if anything it would be worse than saying what Santorum says.
It's saying that before you say it you clear it with the Prime Minister of Israel.
I mean, if he becomes president the worst thing about that would be getting us involved in the war in Iran.
That was Hillary Clinton's aide in the race of 2007 or 2008.
I forget.
The role of the American president is to implement the policies decided on by the Israeli government.
Exactly.
Simple as that.
With a period at the end.
Everybody knows that.
I know.
And Joe Biden, and the EUP said, no daylight between the policies of Israel and the policies of the United States.
No daylight.
Here's the thing, too.
This gets back to the heart of the matter and I guess I really should have said this in my introduction.
This whole latest big controversy where the right wing targeted you and others, the Center for American Progress and others was over this whole use of the term Israel firster, which Justin Raimondo the real anti-Semitic guy, Lilienthal, of course.
I did some research on it and discovered it was famously used in the New York Times when the president of Brandeis University who was a great Jewish historian named Abram Sacher used it and called them obnoxious Israel firsters.
I mean, it's crazy.
So this is the thing.
The big fight is MJ Rosenberg must be some kind of a businessman or else how could he dare assert that there's such a thing?
Maybe it's a bad guy term to use or is it the fact that you would assert that there's such a person as an American who might really care more about what happens to Israel even at American expense in the long term that such a thing is possible or what?
I mean, and we all know the phenomenon exists.
Oh my God, you know I always supposit this idea.
If you have no problem criticizing the president of the United States be that president be named if he's Barack Obama or George Bush or Herbert Hoover I don't care what his name is if you think that that is perfectly legitimate to say in the case of Barack Obama that he wasn't born in this country he's a terrible guy he's a socialist or that George W. Bush is an idiot and people do and certainly these people I'm talking about do but they consider it inappropriate and anti-semitic and a blood libel to criticize the prime minister of Israel that's sick and then if they'll say well that's different you're allowed to say what you want about the president of your own country not a foreign country you may not get in trouble if I say that I think that it's a bit of a cram because what a bad guy Ahmadinejad is you're allowed to say what you want about our own leaders and every foreign leader in the world I was reading that commentary they were gloating MJ Rosenberg resigned from Media Matters and then right there in the comments he seems like he wants to make friends with people other than Jews and that's why he says what he says in other words you don't put Jewishness at the first priority and then of course obviously it goes without saying supposedly that Jewishness and support for the right-wing government in Israel are the same thing to the commentary commenter's point of view but that's really on one hand they say you're evil for saying that there's anyone like that but then on the other hand they're saying that's what's wrong with you is you're not an Israel first the thing with Alan Dershowitz where he said I'm a liberal democrat who admires MJ Rosenberg I'm going down to Florida to campaign for the Republicans wait a minute you believe in everything you believe in the quote the Democrats agenda but you will campaign for the Republicans because you don't like some guy no one's ever heard of named MJ Rosenberg because he criticizes Israel that is not putting it's almost beyond the concept of Israel I don't know how you could convince him you could just remind him about Jeremy Scahill's great reporting about Barack Obama torturing people in his dungeon beneath Mogadishu and say see Obama's a torturer and we know that you put torture as your highest priority that's right Mr. Dershowitz who's actually on my CNN on mute in the background right now is he really?yeah oh he's arguing about Trayvon Martin maybe he can make some money and torture there's got to be money and torture for him too I mean it's just like you know it's so funny about his zealousness in his defense of the Jewish people it didn't seem to count when he was on the defense team for OJ Simpson who I recall was involved with killing of Ron Goldman who was an innocent 24 year old who happened to have stumbled on the scene with the sunglasses on his hand he didn't say oh I can't defend OJ Simpson or get involved with this an innocent Jewish kid got killed hey show me the money man that was a high paying case Mr. Human Rights Activist for torture Alan Dershowitz I don't know how this guy even gets on TV or gets clients at all I thought he was beyond exhausted before he got I found a great interview with Alan Dershowitz talking about why he's a nudist and why he goes to Martha's Vineyard and at my Passover Seder one of the rare anti-Semites who has a Passover Seder at my Passover Seder a woman who was there a family member said oh my god Alan Dershowitz every time I see him attack you all I can do is picture him walking down the beach I say come on you're kidding and I looked it up online and discovered oh yeah he's well known for exposing his parts I mean this guy's nuts his conversation I think has reached it's low point oh come on I love this stuff alright yeah I'm not sure we can fix it I think we should stop we're way over time thank you so much for your time on the show oh no I know that you are and I was just about to remind everybody they can still read you at the Huffington Post at MJRosenberg.com and where else again Al Jazeera oh Al Jazeera of course Talking Points Memo but the best they can do for me is go to MJAYRosenberg.com and sign up on my blog and look at the RSS feed and all that stuff there you go perfect the great MJ Rosenberg everybody we're over time see y'all tomorrow
