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All right, you guys, introducing Joe Loria, editor of ConsortiumNews.com and author of this latest piece, The New Yorker's Partisan Attempt to Refute Its Claim of Partisan Disinformation on Biden and Ukraine.
What a great headline.
Welcome back to the show.
How are you doing?
Thank you, Scott.
I'm fine.
Good.
So Jane Mayer, who wrote The Dark Side about Cheney torturing people to death back when New Yorker reporter, has a piece on Ukraine and Joe Biden and the crazy conspiracy theory that there's something to see here.
Well, yeah, I love the headline.
Speaking of headlines, the invention of the conspiracy theory on Biden.
This has become a mantra.
I mean, they've used conspiracy theory before, obviously, corporate media, to shoot down anything that challenges their narrative.
But in this case, I've never seen it used so often.
And it's just so obvious that everyone is just using this as if an order went out for them.
And of course, it was the CIA that created this term, conspiracy theory, around the time of the JFK assassination.
The people who were skeptical of the Warren report were smeared as conspiracy theorists.
It's been used continuously.
And here we have now Jane Mayer, who I point out in the piece has a very good reputation, at least did.
Wrote a piece defending Tom Drake at the time he was being prosecuted under the Espionage Act for simply informing a newspaper about some illegal activity at the NSA where he worked.
And here's Mayer now joining the pack.
It's quite sad to see that she willfully leaves out evidence that needs to at least be examined.
And this is the key point.
If she could shoot it down, but please do.
But she doesn't even mention a whole bunch of evidence in this story.
Just simply dismisses it as a conspiracy theory that was hatched by Steve Bannon in some think tank or whatever that he made up that is devoted to disinformation, she says.
I don't know much about that.
I'm not a big fan of Steve Bannon's.
So I'm not saying there isn't disinformation coming out of that place.
But in this particular case, there's evidence that came after whatever Steve Bannon said.
And it's independent of Steve Bannon that Joe Biden was involved in some form of what looks like least nepotism and corruption.
And that he openly admitted that in this Council on Foreign Relations conference.
The video is there.
It's online.
I linked to it in my story.
Doesn't get even a mention where she actually says, you know, instead of looking at that, she's just saying that these are tall tales that were all cooked up as a theory to try to destroy poor Joe Biden and protect Donald Trump.
It's ridiculous that she didn't look at the other side of the story.
And that's the thing that I'm really hammering at her about.
Yeah.
Well, so the thing of it is, when you talk about the things that she didn't mention, you know, a big part of that is, of course, the story of the Ukrainians leaking the at least alleged Manafort ledger, the black book, which, you know, has been disputed whether it's even legitimate or not.
But that was used to drive him out of the Trump campaign in the summer of 2016.
And that clearly was something that Trump was talking about with Zelensky and saying, I hope you'll cooperate with Barr on looking at that.
But I guess that's all a conspiracy theory, too.
And, of course, we can all see, you know, from outside of that narrative, that conspiracy theory that labeling it that is just begging the question.
Right.
It's assuming the conclusion that we all already know that there is not anything there to examine.
And so there's nothing left but some vague conspiracy theory by people who aren't satisfied with a complete absence of evidence.
But then, as you're saying, he's completely refusing to follow the different trails of evidence about what really was going on here in terms of intervention in the election and in terms of Joe Biden and his son.
And, you know, first of all, the conflict of interest in him getting the job.
And then second of all, whatever was exactly the real story behind the father, the vice president at the time, intervening to get that prosecutor removed.
So, yeah, again, you don't have to be a Trump partisan.
I know you're not one.
You're just a journalist saying, hey, why leave all this stuff out if it's so easy to debunk?
Well, there's context that is missing from our story.
And the first one is that the U.S. without question was aiding this violent coup d'etat that overthrew a sovereign government in Ukraine in 2014.
It was elected by the people, and there's no mention of that.
And there isn't any by Fox either, which of course is covering the other side of this from the Trump point of view.
Both there's a bipartisan consensus in the media to bury certain stark facts about American foreign policy.
One is that it routinely has overthrown governments.
As I point out, they wait 25 years when the CIA declassifies some documents.
Then the New York Times tells us, oh, the Americans were behind the overthrow of Salvador Allende in Chile.
So you have to wait 25 years and you might find out stuff.
We have evidence right now that the U.S. was involved.
The biggest one is, of course, the Victoria Nuland tape.
She was under secretary of state for Europe and European affairs, talking to the then American ambassador to Ukraine, Jeffrey Piat.
And they were talking about midwifing this thing.
In other words, choosing the government that was going to go in, and they were going to glue it together to overthrow this government.
And the person who was the point man on that, they were saying that would sew up all the loose ends, was Joe Biden.
So here we have the overthrow of the government in February 2014.
And then two or three months later, Joe Biden's son winds up on the board of the largest oil and gas company in Ukraine.
Plus John Kerry's family friend gets on there, and Kerry was secretary of state at the time.
And then this American woman who became a Ukrainian citizen the day she was made the finance minister.
So they installed an American there.
Monsanto gets a contract.
This is classic neocolonialism without direct rule.
But they took over a country, controlled its government, and put in cronies.
They got loot.
They loot.
They got some booty from this coup.
Why have a coup if you're not going to cash in?
This is, I mean, so obvious if you put that story there.
That's not there.
The second context that's missing is the 2016 election, Russiagate.
Okay.
Russiagate was a huge failure.
Jane Meyer got in on that, too.
Of course.
She's an establishment reporter.
You had to.
You were going to not be ridiculed by your peers.
But that means nothing if you're a really serious reporter.
And in fact, she even wrote about how credible Steele and his dossier were.
Exactly.
Oy vey.
The worst thing of the whole thing.
The wrongest thing out of everything.
So now that we know it was a farce, Trump's Justice Department, rightly I think, and his private lawyer, Giuliani, former mayor of New York, are looking into the origins of Russiagate, how this started, who was involved in the bombings.
Trump administration, if anyone was.
And the veteran intelligence professionals for sanity who believes that this was, DNC was leaked and not hacked.
People in there that I talk to and other former intelligence people, and evidence that starts to emerge slowly shows that there was some intervention on the part maybe of John Byrne at the CIA and the FBI to have the Peter Strzok stuff, all of that, where they, it looks like there was an attempt to sabotage Trump's election and then his presidency.
And Russiagate story was the big part of that.
So she doesn't, I think, if there's evidence that could really damage the reputations of the reporters who all got it wrong, their reputations have already been damaged.
I think this has to be seen in that context, that a reporter who got that story wrong, there were so many of them and they got it so wrong because Mueller found no collusion.
They need to rehabilitate themselves and they need, as the intelligence people who may have been involved in this, need to protect themselves if Bars and the IG of the Justice Department come up with reports that show them be guilty of cooking up this Russiagate story.
So they're playing, they're going on offense and the offense is this impeachment scandal to keep Trump and his people on the defensive.
Where they can once again roll out another narrative that is also lacking in skepticism and in critical thinking, which is now this impeachment and the fact that there's no evidence against Joe Biden.
He did nothing wrong.
Except Joe Biden said on that video that he flew in to Kiev and saw the president, then Petro Poroshenko, who was installed after the coup, and ordered him to fire this prosecutor who was looking into that company that his son Joe Biden sat on and that the prosecutor apparently wanted to question Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.
And he said he would withhold, and this is Biden's own words, a billion dollars in U.S. credit until that guy was fired.
Six hours later, he was fired.
They got the money.
And he laughs about this.
Now, I pointed out in an earlier piece, this is the routine way the United States conducts foreign policy.
Threats, blackmail, intimidation.
And there's so many examples.
I just gave a few in that article.
For example, in the 1991 Gulf War.
But wait, let me ask you about this.
Have you seen that there's this piece in the Washington Post where they say that actually, no, just like whenever Joe Biden tells a story, it's never quite right.
It's always a jumbled mess.
Just like he got in trouble a couple of weeks ago talking about some war story out of Afghanistan.
And in this case, they say that this all didn't happen while the plane was waiting to take off and all this kind of thing, the way he tells the story.
That in fact, the whole process was drawn out in terms of his involvement from December of 2015 through, you know, for a few months up until he went there in March.
And that, in fact, on the timeline, Newland and Pyatt had already started urging for the guy to be withdrawn as early as October of 2015.
So in the Post's version, it makes it sound like, well, never mind the way he tells the story.
It still was all about he wasn't, Biden was mad that this guy wasn't prosecuting his son's company and everybody else.
But when you look at the timeline as drawn out, Moon of Alabama, Bernard had a thing there at Moon of Alabama about when you look at his timeline and you include Pyatt and Newland's denunciations of this prosecutor going back to October of 2015.
Now it coincides much more closely, actually, in the timeline with this guy beginning to do something about Burisma.
And that was, it makes it even more credible that they were intervening against this prosecutor for that reason than under the previous way that Biden told the story.
Well, the prosecutor's name is Victor Shoken and he gave an affidavit under oath that that was why he was fired.
He also said in that interesting statement that the U.S. had completely taken over the prosecutor's office, dictating who was and who was not to be investigated.
Part of the takeover of this country.
Now that Biden video, that sounds like that's just the end of the story.
So they've been working on getting rid of this guy for a long time.
And finally, that was seemed like the last straw.
Biden went in there and withheld the aid until he got him fired.
I believe completely what he said.
Why wouldn't we?
The guy testified that that's what happened.
Biden said that's what happened.
How could you just write as all the corporate media are saying, there's no evidence, there shouldn't be an investigation that Trump was asking the president of Ukraine for.
Because there's no evidence.
Well, how do you know before you have an investigation?
And we do have evidence.
We have that statement by Biden.
We have the affidavit by, that's prima facie evidence to investigate whether there was corruption.
Now there is another narrative, which is that Hunter DeRentis is a reporter I know at The National Interest.
And he had a quote from an Obama official saying, trust me, man, we all wanted rid of this guy.
And this effort was not led by the vice president at all.
And it was widely known across civil NGO type groups and anti-corruption groups in Europe and whatever, that this guy was really corrupt and they wanted him gone.
And even though it might sound fanciful, it wasn't that, as I put it jokingly before, it's not that Biden was mad that this guy wasn't going after his son's company, but just as they put it, that had nothing to do with it.
They wanted rid of this guy because he was just corrupt and wouldn't pursue these kinds of investigations the way he was supposed to and all that.
Which, as you say, somebody's got to hash this out, not just assume their conclusion in the headline.
It needs to be bought over in an adversarial way until there's only one set of answers that remain that makes sense.
Right.
And they want to stop the Trump Department of Justice from looking into this and to discredit it, whatever they come up with, beforehand, including looking into what the Bidens were up to.
I heard that, that all the International Monetary Fund, the Europeans, all of these groups that also wanted this prosecutor fired are certainly not completely independent actors when it comes to the U.S. and the U.S. domination of another country.
So, you remember what Victoria Nuland said on that tape about the European Union.
She didn't have high regard for them.
So, look, I want to see the evidence then that the guy was corrupt.
I think it was because he was investigating people they didn't want him to.
Maybe he was investigating people they did want him to.
I don't know, but let's see the evidence that he was corrupt.
I never heard that.
They're just saying that he was corrupt.
I mean, anyway, saying that somebody is corrupt in Ukraine is almost like saying, you know, the sun comes up in the morning.
So, there's probably degrees of corruption there.
And there's nothing more corrupt than support for the neo-Nazi overthrow of the government in February of 2014 in the first place, whether it was for Biden's personal interests or for the interests of the expansion of the American empire.
They overthrew an elected government.
Yeah, but that's excised out of the story.
We don't hear anything about that.
There was no coup.
This guy just ran away.
That was a popular demonstration.
I mean, there was definitely unhappiness towards him and there were protests, but that's how the U.S. works.
They don't start a revolt out of thin cloth.
They need some group of people who are upset.
And then they aid them.
Spends a lot of money.
Organize them.
Who knows what else, until they get the result they want, which is to overthrow the government.
And they did that.
And that was the U.S. operation, not to spread democracy.
The U.S. never does it for that reason.
It's for the interests of capital and geostrategic reasons.
And Ukraine's geostrategy was, I think, paramount over capital.
But they made their money on this.
It looks that way to me.
Biden got himself somehow, how did this guy wind up on this board right after the U.S. coup?
And then, I'm sorry, I want to know more about Viktor Shokin's corruption before I buy that story.
The point is, as you say, you cannot dismiss this evidence just willy-nilly as Jane Mayer does.
And they're all doing.
It's just a conspiracy theory.
It's sickening.
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Now, I'm sorry, because I was trying to find that Washington Post report about the timeline there, but I'll try to find that for you later and email it to you.
Because it does make sense that when Biden tells a story that he would be truncating it and combining three stories into one and getting his timeline all wrong and God knows what, because he is like that.
He may have just been telling the last act in that drama.
The last straw.
They've been working to try to get rid of him and then it didn't work so he finally said we're going to withhold a billion dollars unless you get rid of this guy.
That's the story he told.
That could still be true and there still could have been all of these other events before that.
Right.
So I was talking to Matt Taibbi earlier and then he just put out this article along the same lines an hour or so later today about we're in a permanent coup now.
That we're in a situation, he says he's lived around the world in Russia and some other places and he's seen coup d'etats happen and this is how it is.
This is what it means when the intelligence services and the national security state decide that they're just in open defiance of the elected president and they'll pick and choose which of his orders they'll follow and they'll selectively leak against him all day and he goes and rehashes a bunch of accusations that did not hold up accusing Trump of treason with the Russians in the whole Russiagate fake scandal there and the effort that, you know, essentially the open warfare by the CIA and the FBI counterintelligence division against this president and how, you know, Americans, we've never really seen this and we have regular elections and that's the way we do it around here but at this point those bets are off and things could get really hectic where, as he puts it, you have different officials on the phone figuring out which different battalions of police and military officials are going to side with them against the other guys and this kind of thing and boy is this country lousy with different groups of cops and soldiers to pick and choose on that kind of level, you know, but that's the kind of fire they're playing with and over what, right?
His opposition to NATO or his pretension to be fair in Israel-Palestine or any of the things or even his willingness to really make peace with Russia and end the Cold War all that stuff was so superficial and he could have been and has been talked out of all of that stuff pretty easily anyway.
They should have known that they didn't have to do this to him they might not have chosen him but he doesn't know enough to be that different in kind from what they wanted him to do anyway and look, he's carried on all the wars anyway and they've really put this country in danger here, it seems like Well, you're right.
This is the principle here that intelligence agencies should not be obviously inserting themselves in domestic politics but they didn't know necessarily that Trump would turn out that way.
He was unknown and unpredictable at the beginning They should have just read my Twitter feed, man.
I said so in 2015 and 2016 Well, let's assume that they didn't know and they were worried and they tried to undermine his election and then his presidency with the Russiagate story Now we're about to find out how they did that and it could be criminal So they are really worried now.
This is what I think is happening They're really worried that Barr means business, although I don't trust Barr being CIA in his background and then Durham apparently whitewashed a couple of other CIA investigations he was involved in The torture thing for Holder and Biden and Obama The tapes, exactly.
So I don't necessarily trust either one of those guys But who knows what's going on, whether there's internal battles within the intelligence community As you said, this thing looks like it's falling apart here So I think they have to go on offense and this impeachment thing If in fact he said he would withhold military aid to Ukraine in exchange for these investigations A, that telephone conversation doesn't make that clear a quid pro quo But even if it were true, he's conducting American foreign policy the way it's always done Like I said, Biden says you do this, we'll give you the billion The U.S. says vote this way and the Security Council will give you the aid or we don't give you the aid We'll spy on your mission so that we can get leverage over you Catherine Gunn discovered, which she leaked at the time before the 2003 election That's how the U.S. conducts foreign policy And Trump's mistake was to get involved personally in this with mentioning this to the president of Ukraine There's supposed to be a wall between the Justice Department and the White House So as not to politicize legal matters And he should have shut the hell up That's his real crime more than anything I mean other than the genocide in Yemen He's just criminally stupid When he has Barr doing as much as he's going to get out of anybody here Just let Barr know that hey, I really want to know what happened with that Manafort ledger and that Biden thing Isn't that part of this?
Okay, have a nice day And the CrowdStrike issue Don't bring it up yourself And then he goes out in public and says he wants China to investigate And hires Giuliani to run the whole op for him Of all people Well, I don't know how Giuliani seems to be if he's telling the truth He's got all these documents he's saying I think he's John Solomon's source I have no way of knowing that But it could be that the documents that John Solomon's come up with Including that affidavit by Shokin The fired prosecutor May have come from Giuliani He's been in Ukraine a lot He's been working around there Giuliani, I'm from New York City He was my mayor for a long time Couldn't stand him, but I don't care about any of that right now This is what it means to be non-partisan Forget about the politics of someone If they can come up with the goods, the documents He just represents incompetence to me He seems like such a bumbling fool at this point, Giuliani I wouldn't trust him to be able to carry this out Although then again, if he's running errands for the President of the United States That's quite a brief and people will go along with that So who knows, you know I don't see...
Why do you say he looks like a bumbling fool?
Curious He just seems...
They said in the first place One of the reasons he didn't get the Attorney General job Was because he kept falling asleep in meetings at Trump Tower You know, he's just...
He's old and, you know He's just...
He always was a kook Remember when Ron Paul stomped him into the ground?
He should have just stayed there He's not just a terrible person He's like...
Well, like when Trump is saying to Zelensky Hey, I hear that the DNC server is in Ukraine somewhere Can you hunt it down for me?
I mean, where is he getting that crap from?
Giuliani, probably Well, if Giuliani advised him to talk to the President about that That was really stupid, yes Yeah, I mean, he just has...
I mean, Trump has no idea what's going on here If he thinks that And that's the kind of thing that Giuliani Ought to be filtering out for him That's probably where he heard it from You know, I don't know He was accused of that Other officials had said in the paper They thought that Giuliani was the one who had told them that Well, he may have...
There was that story, of course That CrowdStrike worked in Ukraine They did have a contract there And they got it completely wrong About the Russians having hacked into the Howards Which is a huge story And this is only, what, a few weeks After they claimed that Some Cyrillic letters proved That the Russians were behind the DNC hack They falsely accused the Russians Of this malware attack in Ukraine And because those accusations Were very public and detailed They had to completely eat crow And take it all back a day or two later When every real computer scientist in the world Laughed in their face over it Yeah, if I'm not mistaken The same software that was used To conclude that about the Howards Was used to conclude that about The Russians hacking the DNC I'm not sure if that was it or not But it's the same difference anyway I'd like to know where the server is, too I mean, wouldn't you?
That somebody could actually examine it?
Yeah, although, I mean, I'm not so sure That a regular newspaper reporter Maybe even yourself Couldn't probably just ask The Department of Justice The answer to that I mean, that may be officially part of the record Of the Mueller investigation But I think that's probably a secret I just don't know if anybody's really asking You know?
Other than Trump asking The President of Ukraine about it I don't know if he thought The DNC server was stationed In Ukraine all along Or it got moved there Anyway But the FBI, which of course Is part of the Justice Department Never got hold of the server Oh, that's true They didn't start from CrowdStrike Proving it They just took CrowdStrike's word for it That that was what they had concluded A drafted draft CrowdStrike never bothered Writing a final report To give to the government They only showed them a draft Because they didn't need one Because all Comey needed to hear Was that's what they think And so, good enough Let's stop right there Because we don't want to Go back to their own server Who did it And to distract attention I mean, please I don't expect Barr to come up And say that that was the case That they weren't hacked That it was a leak But he may have some dirt on And the Attorney And the Inspector General of the DOJ May have some dirt on Some officials in the Obama Administration Who used Christopher Steele's Which is what it should Always have been seen Which means there's a lot of garbage in there Digging up dirt By the way, they're accusing Giuliani Of digging up dirt on Biden in Ukraine Well, what did they do with Steele?
He dug up dirt on Trump In Russia, right?
From Russians And half of it's rubbish And half of all opposition research Is exaggeration or outright lies The idea is to try to destroy Your candidate, your opponent Well, and as you say too They all do this But that's not really to acquit Trump As much as just show How dishonest this all is If they were going to impeach Every president from now on Over trying to intimidate A foreign government Into going along with American goals Then that'd be great And I can accept that And if Trump's got to be the first one hanged Fine, but that means all the rest of them too From now on Protecting itself from a leader That it wished had never been elected That's all Protecting their own interests From the democracy's choice So to speak Yeah Again, as you point out It's not my choice Nor was Clinton, of course But it's the people Who are supposed to decide this You've got a corrupt electoral system too There's so much wrong with it But that's what we've got right now It's better than The CIA and the FBI Getting involved in internal politics Of the U.S.
And I think there could be a war going on I really don't know Barr and Durham went on a plane They've been to Rome They've been around Looking for this Joseph Mifsud maybe They are looking at how this story unfolded That's making people very nervous If they've got something to hide And I think journalists like Jane Meyer Because there's a threat To how they work together With the intelligence agencies To delude the entire country Yeah I say let's see every bit of it They duped the country On this story So they have to go after Trump again And they're getting another crack at him To try to get rid of him Because Russiagate failed so miserably I don't know where this leak came from anymore But there was Now the famous NBC reporter But at that time Was working for the LA Times Ken Danilian He was caught Oh it was in the Podesta email No I don't remember what the hell it was It was in some WikiLeaks He was caught saying Here's my finished article Mr. CIA source You go over it and tell me If you want any changes in there And this kind of thing Giving final approval to his articles And I forgot on what topic But it was something important A hundred of those If Barr wanted to go that far When it comes to declassification And then release of documents Showing Mockingbird level operations And that level of cooperation By major American media stars What do you want me to say Mr. CIA man I bet there's a million of those And you know what If Trump really hates the media that much And wants to play that level of hardball Well let's see which all of them Are de facto CIA agents I would love it myself And that's what I think they're worried about They're worried about that So they have to discredit This investigation That Trump stupidly got himself involved in By asking the Ukrainian president To do these things Well we'll know we're in real third world status If Durham's plane falls out of the sky Or something like that I'm not counting on him doing A very thorough job anyway So what the hell You're right They are traveling around the world Looking, doing something We don't know whether it can be thorough Whether it's a whitewash Whether it's some way halfway Or if they go the full hog If they got all the evidence Like what you just said That the entire press corps Was in bed with the CIA Making up this story essentially That's what I think they're nervous about So this impeachment thing Is a great opportunity for them To get on the defensive About a silly Like you said If every president who used Hard-boiled tactics Against other leaders They would have to put a turnstile In front of the White House They would be coming in and out Every day in impeachment I mean it's ridiculous Well and I like how it's such a self-inflicted Psy-op by the Democrats Using the corruption of their front-runner And his son as the club That everybody knows That Hunter Biden can do whatever he wants And he can collect whatever Kind of conflict of interest payment And spend it all on coke and whores Which everybody always leaves that out His wife says He spent it all on coke and whores So this is nothing but a windfall to him To go and have fun and play And to compromise his dad And then the lesson is For the American people That the Democrats can do this stuff all they want And if you don't like it How dare you Imply that Joe Biden The Vice President Can't get his son a job That pays $50,000 a month To sit around doing nothing Except having fun I mean That's a pretty winning message For the Democratic Party In the campaign coming up this year I think they think But I think they're wrong Well let me ask you something Let's say Biden has to drop out For health reasons Or because this corruption Becomes too obvious What happens to the Democratic field?
Well I I don't know man I have to say And this may be wishful thinking On my part at this point But looking at this race Through Hillary Clinton's eyes She's got to be telling herself Every day that none of them can do it That Warren can't do it Booker can't do it But the other day I did it before I beat him before Referring to the popular vote there But trying to again Cast his entire presidency's Legitimacy into doubt I've done it before I could do it again Don't tempt me And I'm just worried That I might die laughing Watching her get the nomination And then lose again Which would be I just You know what?
I used to hate her so much But she is such a comic figure to me now Her sore loser-dom Is to me The most precious thing The sweetest nectar Her misery And her refusal to just Admit her own failure here And her willingness to Blame everyone And accept no responsibility Whatsoever and all I've been willing to watch Ever since she lost And couldn't even make her Concession speech that night Because her face was such a wreck They couldn't even put her out there that night Starting then and ever since She just cracks me up to death Like literal stitch in the side thing Where it hurts and I can't stand it And so I love it and I say bring it And I say that you know what?
She's right that old Warren Cannot do it Her friends mom looking thing She just doesn't have it There's no way And then who else have they got?
Everyone else up there is an absolute Also ran They might as well all be Herman Cain up there They're going nowhere And so I don't know If anybody is you know Wants to take out a life insurance policy Or something on me Or bet on the Extremely minor celebrity Their election day 2020 When Hillary loses to Trump again Might be it I can see myself suffocating Right now Well I've been saying for a while Before this all began With Biden and Trump And impeachment That if she could walk She's going to run And she's going to find a way She would survey the field And say there's really none of you That's great Not in this stage at all But now in particular If she can get the impeachment If they get an impeachment Even if he's not convicted Which he almost certainly would not be in the Senate That wounds him He was impeached He stole the election Etc And you know you mentioned the manifest thing And I didn't talk much about it in my piece Because I haven't looked that deeply Into that aspect of it But that's another thing they're worried about The White House has done some Incredibly interesting reporting on this Says that there was Actually Ukrainian officials In the Obama White House Being told what to do Now that may be going too far No I hadn't read that one Yeah he said it on an interview On a video interview I don't think I read it I heard him say it on this interview On that conservative America one or something Whatever that station is I heard him say that It's better to go out And it's better to go on the offensive And go after Trump again On a flimsy charge for impeachment Let's face it Impeach the guy on several other kinds of things Like continuing wars Without any congressional authorization Right Not to get Obama and the others off the hook And I think the biggest of them Was George W. Bush Because he committed the crime The Supreme Crime, according to the Nuremberg process Which is a crime of aggression By Iraq Cannot invade that country On faulty evidence Nobody measures up to that Not even Obama But Trump is continuing the same policies As you pointed out I don't know what your position is On the whole Kurdish-Syrian fiasco Because it looks to me Like he really wanted to pull the troops out of there He announced twice He wanted them completely out That it was going to happen And twice it didn't happen Because the Turkish apparatus there Are not allowing him to do what he wants But in this case He seemed to be almost out of spite Well I will just withdraw them a few miles To allow the Turks to come in And slaughter the Kurds That's a very fishy thing That seems to me almost more impeachable Than a phone call I'm of course always in favor Of withdrawing all troops from everywhere But it's certainly the case That he could have Even just given it a couple of weeks To announce this is happening Hell or high water No matter what And so the Kurds You guys need to strike a deal With Damascus right now To get the Syrian Arab Army Back in that border region To fill that power vacuum And so to keep the Turks out And Turks you stay out Okay now we're withdrawing That's so obvious And they could have done that And that wouldn't have taken So long to admit That Assad is leader Of the sovereign government And that includes northeastern Syria And let the Kurds strike their deal with him Instead of strike their surrender To Erdogan We got to leave sooner or later anyway Sooner is better Well Damascus has said They are not going to talk to the Kurds They have violated the nation And they don't want to talk to them I mean they had their chance But you know what We'll see if the proper incentives are there Yeah that could just be An opening negotiating stance too I mean they want them To crawl on their knees now Because they're really desperate But essentially they'd have to Give up ideas of independence And become autonomous And it's a pipe dream anyway Independence with all these powers Surrounding them The Turks won't tolerate that But what I'm saying What Trump did You know what Trump got in return The great deal maker He allowed, he gave a green light to Turkey To invade a sovereign country And then withdrew the troops Not even withdraw the troops He redeployed the troops He has not withdrawn them That's the issue here You should withdraw them And you absolutely put out the right thing But think about that though Out of all of the things that he's doing Where they want to impeach him For blocking an arms deal He's not doing it On this Ukraine thing And then here Imagine being impeached For removing troops from a battlefield And they already have this narrative That Trump's withdrawal from Iraq Is what caused the rise of ISIS I mean sorry Obama's withdrawal from Iraq Is what caused the rise of ISIS When it was Obama's support For the jihadists in Syria That caused the rise of ISIS And then yes it's true ISIS matters by far the most 90-10 or some kind of split like that But instead Obama discredited His own withdrawal from Iraq By supporting the jihadists in Syria In that way So here's Trump again Giving another example Of how you can never leave anywhere Because look what happened here We helped this group defeat the Islamic State That we had burdened them with In the first place And now we're abandoning them Because of the Turks Who ain't so tender And so you see You can call it right now Years from now They're going to say yeah Remember that time Trump Withdrew from northeastern Syria And it's going to be part of a cliche About how you can never leave anywhere now I think you're right I think that's going to be portrayed that way It already is being portrayed that way We can't really believe the crocodile tears For the Kurds And that's why they're really there I was only pointing out That Trump's a political amateur But until this point He really hadn't made such a serious In my opinion A mistake like that That's costing maybe many many lives now So that was just a huge blunder How he handled that You pointed out how he could have done it very well And put pressure all around Get the Russians to put pressure on Syrians To agree to that I think the Russians At the spur of the moment Okay, pull them back And let them invade That's more serious Than the phone conversation You had with Vladimir Zelensky President of Ukraine That much is certainly true Alright well listen I sure appreciate your great work Over there at Consortium News Picking up where Bob Perry left off there And you've got a great bunch of writers And produce a lot of great journalism Including this piece Joe Thank you for your work And for your time again on the show Alright Scott We'll have you on our webcast Oh cool, I'm happy to do it anytime Alright you guys That's Joe Lauria He is the editor of ConsortiumNews.com And here he is going after Jane Mayer She's got it coming The New Yorker's partisan attempt To refute its claim Of partisan disinformation On Biden and Ukraine Alright y'all thanks For watching
