11/09/15 – Keegan Stephan – The Scott Horton Show

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All right, our guest is Keegan Stephan.
You can follow him on Twitter at KeeganNYC.
And that's also his web address, Keegan at, or no, Keegan.
NYC, which I didn't even know that was a thing.
But there you go, Keegan.
NYC.
That's his web address.
And, yeah, welcome back to the show.
How are you doing?
Thanks, I'm doing pretty well.
How are you?
I'm doing good.
Appreciate you joining us here again.
And, yeah, so he's an anti-police brutality activist.
And, again, is joining us to talk about some of the people who've recently been killed by the cops.
But I appreciate your suggestion in the email last night, Keegan, that we start with these four cops lied about getting shot.
Yeah.
And then blamed it on the Black Lives Matter movement.
You say you've got the right to not be murdered.
Why?
You're inciting murder against me, they cry.
Yeah, it's pretty shocking that this whole movement to, you know, have accountability among the police has created just a backlash of the police saying, like, absolutely no, there should be no accountability and attacking the people advocating for accountability.
Forget the unions.
I think they should have their own political party, the police political party.
Their only interest is the cops at the expense of everybody else.
And let's not pretend.
Yeah, you know, I found in some of my research recently that a lot of the police unions actually have, you know, super PACs, the political advocacy campaigns that can make donations above and beyond individual donations.
So, you know, we're halfway there.
Oh, they'd probably win.
If you'd be like, finally, the party we've been waiting for.
Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a huge it's a huge union.
They've got a lot of money for sure to be donating to.
Yeah.
Palin one time said about Obama, she said, we don't need a lawyer at a lectern.
We need a commander to command things.
The crowd went wild.
So, yeah, we ought to not pretend that we're immune from this kind of thinking, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
All right.
So tell me about these four cops, though, seriously, because it sounds like now you must be lying.
This is crazy talk.
I mean, yeah, I think that most people probably heard about the one case, this cop who was this cop from Illinois, Fox Lake, you know, was trending on Twitter.
People were talking about this.
It came out last week.
And this was probably the biggest story because this cop was killed.
And he you know, he was he it looked like he was murdered in the line of duty when it happened.
This was last month, you know, news channels, politicians even were blaming Black Lives Matter movement because before he was killed, he identified some suspects and one of them was black.
And so everybody jumped on it saying it was, you know, a political murder by the Black Lives Matter movement of a cop.
And, you know, everything about the case pointed to a murder.
He was shot multiple times.
His gun was found like, you know, 20 feet away.
And then it turned out that the whole thing was fabricated by this guy.
And, you know, he was part of this tactical unit that investigated crime.
So he had like an in-depth knowledge of how to manipulate a crime scene to make it look like a murder.
And he had done all of those things.
He implicated, you know, three people.
So there was like a manhunt going on that could have obviously ended very, very poorly for.
Stop right there.
That's a point worth really elaborating it.
Apparently, he saw three men, two white men and a black man and said and then reported that, oh, yeah, this is the description so that there would be some real people to pin it on, not just, you know, a vapor for the cops to chase on a snipe hunt.
But here's three guys to pin it on if you want to.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the way that, you know, people who are accused of killing cops get treated, those guys, those people could have very likely been shot and killed when being pursued.
Very good point.
And or the cops could have just decided, yeah, we are going to prosecute them and give them the check.
Yeah.
And people who are, you know, accused of killing cops tend not to get the most fair and due process.
So, yeah, very dangerous situation.
He set up for these three innocent people.
And then it turned out he staged the whole thing for like extremely nefarious reasons.
He had been robbing from a fund set up to train young police officers, teenagers who wanted to become cops.
He was stealing money from this ostensibly charitable campaign to fund his own porn addiction and vacations for his family.
And he was being investigated by, you know, a new sort of internal affairs investigator in the department.
And he was worried that he was going to get caught.
His original plan to not get caught was to kill the internal affairs person.
Apparently, he made some moves toward hiring a hitman to kill her when he found out that this wasn't going to work or figured out that.
Hey Keegan, come on.
At least ultimately he did the right thing.
OK, I'm sorry.
Hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
Everybody with Keegan Stephan right after this.
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All right, you guys.
Welcome back to the show.
I'm talking with Keegan Steffen about our imperial standing army of lawless killers, a.k.a.the peace officers for local sheriff's department, city police force.
Right now, Keegan, we got to get through the the cops hurting themselves and blaming Black Lives Matter here real quick, because we got a lot of dead people to honor and to accuse their murderers over here, too, before the top of the hour.
So we talked about the the suicide of this cop who staged who tried to frame up a bunch of people he saw walking nearby before he killed himself.
And it was all because he was a corrupt criminal scumbag and was caught for it, even had plotted to murder the internal affairs officer, as you said, before finally ending it for all of us.
But it should be noted, too, that they had a huge manhunt and all this stuff, pretending that they were finding the real killers when, in fact, they knew it was a suicide from the very beginning or or had plenty of reason to believe in.
I'm sorry.
If you could wrap up the other three here real quick so we can talk about all the other the giant pile of skulls these people are piling up like Pol Pot.
Yeah, the you know, the main thing is that everybody was aware of this Fox Lake killing, but, you know, it was just one of, you know, many police who have been killed this year that have been blamed on Black Lives Matter.
But, you know, when I heard about this, I started remembering all the articles I've been reading recently, and I pulled them together and I quickly found that in the last month, there had actually been four cops who were shot that blamed imaginary perpetrators and who turned out to all be lying and who had all like shot themselves or been shot by their partners and all of whom had come up with elaborate stories, you know, incriminating other people.
One, you know, said it was two black people who committed a drive by in a car.
One, you know, said their vehicle was fired upon by an SUV.
Another one said he was shot at a traffic stop.
So all feeding this like mad frenzy of Fox News and associates blaming the Black Lives Matter movement and all turned out to be false.
Four in one month is actually like a really large percentage of the amount of police officers shot.
So it definitely goes to discredit the Ferguson effect and all of its backlash.
Yeah, man.
And and that's the real point is just how much mileage right wing media in America has gotten out of these shootings.
And in you know, it's like lies about Iran's nuclear program.
It doesn't matter that none of them are true as long as there's an endless stream of accusations.
It seems like it all must be at some point.
And so virtually the entire American right now, you know, is under this impression that the poor little cops are under siege by the evil black civil rights protesters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard to go back and change people's minds once they get a narrative, you know, lodged in there.
That's really tough.
Well, you know, I think an important way is and this is cynical and horrible.
Don't get me wrong, but whatever.
It's important.
You know, I think an important way to break through to people is show them dead white people at the hands of the cops to like this six year old boy whose life has more value in America than that.
A six year old little white boy killed by a couple of cops or this guy, the Idaho rancher who's living the American dream, who who who split logs for 20 years to build this little place for him and his wife to live out their days and just outright executed on the side of the road for what not even the temerity of defying the sheriff deputy's orders, but basically just doing what everyone expected of him, shooting the crippled bull in the back of the head.
And they just spun him around and shot him to death as though they had just said it.
Well, he does have a gun in his hand.
I bet we could get away with it.
Let's murder him.
There was no incentive for them to murder him other than the fun of it.
And he was why he could be and they're going to get away with it as though he was the poorest fatherless black kid in the ghetto, too.
Yeah, these were all pretty, pretty shocking cases.
I mean, the case of that six year old could not be more stark.
You know, the cops to begin with were violating federal law by opening fire or federal jurisdiction or federal rules by opening fire on a moving vehicle, even though they were completely in the wrong to begin with, you know, and they killed this six year old white child.
The news media and the police came out immediately saying that, you know, the father in the car probably had a gun, probably fired at them, might have even killed his own child, totally trying to deface this individual and absolve the police of all wrongdoing.
And then, you know, there was video evidence, luckily, and all of that turned out to be false.
And now these police officers have been indicted.
There's a silver lining there.
However, you know, these cops never should have been on the job.
They have these outrageous records of past abuses escalating even to aggravated rape that one of them was indicted for.
They have five open lawsuits, including breaking the arm of a 14 year old girl on a school bus, pepper spraying a 15 year old at a Fourth of July celebration.
And yet they were active duty cops, you know, policing the community with guns.
It turns out that one of their fathers was an assistant D.A. in the town, a small town with only eight assistant D.A.
So it's probably easy to imagine why all these charges were dismissed or disappeared or didn't result in any disciplinary action.
And weren't they marshals?
Weren't they marshals?
I think I read a thing about the city police or the county sheriff's or somebody were complaining that these guys are patrolling in our jurisdiction where they don't belong.
Yeah, one of them is city marshal.
There's all sorts of like overlap of police forces in this town, it seems.
Um, yeah, but none of them, you know, had in the past recused themselves or drawn any attention to this to get any sort of $50 fine and time served like on night court.
That's it.
Yeah, it is.
It is interesting to see a couple of things here.
You know, I think the parallel with Tamir Rice, the 12 year old black child who was killed in Ohio, you know, his office, the officer who killed him, even though that's also on video and he gave no time for Tamir to drop the toy gun before shooting and killing him, it's a year later and that cop hasn't been indicted.
So the racial disparity is very clear.
However, even though these cops were indicted, I don't think we should have any faith at this point that they are going to be convicted of a crime and spend any time in jail.
And I think that's clear by this, this other case I sent you of, um, well, I don't think it's just the race thing.
I think in this case, it's the, the jealousies of the different jurisdictions involved where the city police are happy to go ahead and arrest these marshals because they're not of them.
They're a separate team.
So go ahead.
Yeah, perhaps.
I mean, we'll see how that's part of it anyway.
Yeah.
I mean, but, um, but there is a tendency for anybody, you know, uh, sort of extending the favors of the badge, right.
Um, they go from one police force to another.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
I'm just saying, you know what, if they had been the regular city police on the job or whatever, they probably would not have been indicted.
Also might not have happened or been charged.
And yeah, I mean, and it'll be interesting to see what happens with this thing in Idaho where they had no cause in Idaho.
Statesman has a great writeup.
There was absolutely no cause to kill this guy, but he did have a rifle in his hand and you know that they're just going to go, but judge waistband or whatever and get away with it.
It's a, it's pretty crazy, especially because the police called the rancher.
Like they were like, you know, this guy's bullets on the loose.
We need help getting it under control.
And the guy shows up with his gun, like, of course, you know, he's a rancher.
Uh, he's like, there's like a bowl in the loose.
Like, what would you expect someone like this to be doing?
And it seems like, uh, you know, the police completely overreacted, viewed him as a threat, um, you know, murdered him without him firing any shots, uh, which is, you know, this, this sort of crazy standard operating procedure.
When we hear about, um, you know, police involved shootings, like even when people have guns, like very rarely, uh, are they, do they shoot first or shoot at all?
Um, and the police for some reason are still justified in opening fire.
Uh, you know, so police are, so people who are potentially legally carrying, legally carrying an open carry States, um, are being killed because they, and people are saying it's justified because they have guns, even though they're completely justified in having those guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Washington post had its big thing about everybody killed by the cops so far this year and how many of them had weapons in their hands.
And I guess, especially if they have Brown skin, you're supposed to assume they had that weapon to commit a crime with, but why, why do we assume that this is America?
Everybody's got weapons.
So we can defend our lives.
Okay.
Somebody tries to commit a crime against us.
And what's funny about, I mean, not funny, but in a ha ha way, but in a horrible kind of way is you look at Tamir rice, the little boy with a gun, well, he is black and he is wearing a sweatshirt and, and you know, whatever.
And somebody called the cops on him cause he was terrified.
And so the cops made a bunch of bad assumptions on the way to the scene apparently and acted them out in this crazy kind of way.
But like in this case, you get, in other words, I can see where people can figure out rationalizations for this, but like in this case, who in the world believes that the rancher got a phone call that his bull had been hit by a car and was mad down at the scene and needed to be put down and thought to himself, finally, here's my chance to execute two sheriff's deputies for have, for arriving on the scene.
I'll show them.
Nobody believes that that's crazy.
Obviously he just went down there to shoot the bull.
How in the world could it possibly be that anyone could imagine that he meant to cause any harm to anyone, you know?
Yeah.
And that's, that's sort of the standard for prosecuting the cops is that they acted out sort of outside of reasonable behavior.
And we'll see how that plays out, I guess, in the eyes of the jury.
And you know, it's funny about the Tamir rice thing where, as you said, they gave him no warning, they pull right up on him and the cop just gets out and shoots him.
And as you said, it's on video.
And in fact, them beating the crap out of his sister, who came to try to save his life is on video as well.
And they just skated away with that clean.
They got sovereign immunity, all of them, either, either outright or de facto, they've got a license to kill us, Keegan.
That's the deal, man.
Listen, thanks for coming back on the show.
I'm sorry, we're out of time.
Let's do this again soon.
See y'all tomorrow.
Thanks.
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