10/08/13 – Jeffrey Phillips – The Scott Horton Show

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Alright.
Our guest today is Jeffrey Phillips.
He's a friend of our friend, Adam Kokish.
Welcome to the show.
How's it going, Jeffrey?
Thank you.
I'm doing great.
Good deal.
Okay, so first of all, I have to ask, are you named after the greatest skateboarder in the history of the world, Jeff Phillips?
I actually am not, but not many people have pointed that out.
Well, you happen to have a great name there.
So congratulations on that.
Thanks.
I actually am old enough and lucky enough that I got to skate with Jeff Phillips quite a few times when I was a kid.
Well, not quite a few, but a handful of times when I was young.
And his skate park in Dallas was mecca to me and the boys all in the 1990s.
So good times there.
Wow.
Had to mention it.
Okay, anyway, so talk to me about Adam Kokish.
Why is Adam Kokish in jail right now?
Well, he did a civil disobedience event that I got him in a little bit more trouble than I think he was expecting.
He's been in jail for roughly 90-ish days on a victimless crime that was totally not— there was no victim, no one was threatened or anything like that.
Normally, this charge would not have a no bail, or normally he wouldn't have been held for this amount of time on this charge.
So it seems like they have it out for him, basically.
Well, and I guess he's got the civil disobedience charge in D.C., but then he's got a drug charge in Virginia, right?
Correct, yeah.
Now, okay, so first of all, on the D.C. charge, what he did was he videotaped himself racking a shotgun.
And as civil disobedience, you're not supposed to run around with a shotgun in Washington, D.C., I guess is the law, right?
Obviously it wasn't concealed.
What is the law exactly that he's breaking, do you know?
Well, it's having a rifle or handgun out of your home or office is the actual charge.
So you're just not supposed to have it outside, and he was out standing on the commons or something like that.
Allegedly, correct.
I'm sorry, because I just haven't done my research on this, Jeffrey.
So could you set me straight about whether or not that whole thing was just filmed in front of a green screen in the first place?
I don't want to ruin his awesome defense that he has saving up here.
Yeah, I mean, they really have no concrete evidence or any proof of anything, really.
So the fact that they raided his home and pulled him out of his life and caused him to lose his home and cause his business to be disrupted and they've taken his freedom away.
It's pretty intense to see that happen to someone who didn't do anything wrong.
Well, and you know, it's funny the way that they overreact so bad to him, too.
The raid itself, I mean, I know he would laugh, too, so it's okay.
The raid itself with, I don't know if they had helicopters, but I know they had an armored personnel carrier that cordoned off the whole neighborhood and acted like, you know, Oh, Adam Kokesh, he's the Michigan Militia or something.
He's going to fight his way out of our quarantine zone.
You know, like he's Rambo or David Koresh or something.
Yeah, they had like a two-mile perimeter and they had two helicopters.
Two helicopters.
Oh, good.
Yeah.
Well, there was like a news helicopter and a police helicopter that showed up, but it was a very, very big deal.
Fortunately, I wasn't there for it, but, you know, they most definitely made a very big deal about it.
You know, if there wasn't so much else going on scandal-wise as far as, you know, the Empire, the bankruptcy, the police state and all the rest of this, just all things, all other things being equal, this would really be a huge story.
You know, gun rights activists may or may not have racked shotgun in D.C.
Huge, you know, Waco-style paramilitary raid at his house to come and get him when the whole thing was obviously peaceful civil disobedience in the first place.
We're talking about Kokesh, who constantly has a grin from ear to ear on his face, who clearly is not an offensive, violent threat to anyone.
Come on.
And for them to go after him like this, and then what's the bail that the judge set?
Well, Virginia had, he bonded out of Virginia, which was a $5,000 bond, and then in D.C. he was refused bail.
He was refused bail at any price.
In Virginia, they actually thought it, they thought him, you know, they thought Adam safe enough, you know, to be released for, you know, that crime in Virginia.
But the D.C. just, you know, absolutely not.
Funny.
It's almost so ham-handed that I wonder whether it'll play into his favor, actually, that just the degree of overreaction here.
The amount of time that's going by, the more, you know, holes we're finding, and it seems like they did rush through it.
You know, it seems like they did make it personal, and they did get upset, and they did rush into it.
And they really didn't, you know, they knew when they went to his house that they weren't going to walk out of there empty-handed.
So, you know, it's pretty wild.
It's really scary at the same time, too.
All right.
Now, I'm not familiar on all the details, and I don't know any real reason that I need to be familiar with all the details.
I don't think we've got to talk all about, you know, who's who and who did what necessarily, unless you feel it is necessary for whatever reasons.
But it is the case that there's been some scandal about the money raised for Adam Kokesh and what's happened to it.
And it seems like all that needs confronting.
If he's going to still have a defense fund, and if he's going to have, you know, his supporters, if they're going to still be able to support him, they're going to want to know that it's okay, that whatever scandal there is or was is handled, and we're moving on from here.
And so I wanted to give you a chance to talk about what happened, to whatever degree you need to explain it, and then explain why it is.
And this is really why I had you on the show, because I'm under the impression that all that's pretty much taken care of now.
And so now people can feel confident again in donating and doing whatever it is that they can to support Adam.
Yes, absolutely.
I'm not really going to spend much time on the details of what happened, because we don't really know all the details yet.
And for us to come out with something this prematurely wouldn't be the correct way of doing things.
But if there is anyone out there who is concerned about what happened to their donation, they can absolutely email me, Jeffrey, J-E-F-F-R-E-Y, AdamVsTheMan.com, with a copy of the receipt of their donation, and I will absolutely get them a report on that once we have that report made.
And I can assure you that the Legal Defense Fund was put towards legal defenses, and anybody who wants an actual report of that can definitely get a hold of me.
So you're saying whatever was taken was not from the Legal Defense Fund?
No, everything that was supposed to go towards legal defenses went towards legal defenses.
Okay, well that's good to hear, first of all.
We're most definitely in the hole with legal funds.
As you know, the prison system is quite a racket.
We've spent close to $4,000, $5,000 just in talking to Adam over the phone.
It's $1.50 a minute, basically, to talk to him, and there's no way he can run any type of trial or anything like that without communicating with the outside world.
And they make it so hard.
It's absolutely shocking how much of a racket it is.
I mean, it's not really shocking, but once you have to deal with it and you have to spend that type of money just to communicate with someone, it's just amazing that they're able to just snatch someone up like that and ruin their lives without even charging them with anything, without even a trial or anything like that.
It's just not the way things are supposed to happen in this country.
Jeffrey, now set me straight, because somebody stole something.
You don't have to tell me point figures exactly at who, but there was a problem with the fundraiser.
You're telling me that all of the defense fund money went where it was supposed to go.
Well, then what money didn't go where it was supposed to go?
Anyway, I just want to give you a chance to get all the dirty laundry out there aired so that people know that it's okay moving on from here.
Yeah, we actually don't know if anything was taken whatsoever.
We haven't gotten an expense report.
And when we do get an expense report, we will know all the evidence, and we will know exactly what was taken or not taken.
But right now we don't know, and to say that anything was taken would definitely be premature.
I actually flew out there to D.C. a couple weeks back to kind of tighten up all of Adam's loose ends, make sure all the utility bills were shut off from the old house and retrieve his property and stuff like that.
And I came home after getting 95% of what I needed to get done out there.
I wasn't able to secure the expense report, and that's kind of what's caused a lot of this drama, is people kind of jumping to conclusions and saying things that happened that we don't know happened yet.
And a lot of people have been upset about the time span it's taken for us to comment on it, but I can assure you that the time that's being taken is being taken to make sure that we have the facts before we bring anything into light or claim anything was done.
So right now it's just a bunch of suspicions and allegations, huh?
It's hard for me to say anything, yeah.
Okay.
I guess I was under the impression that it was a bit worse than that.
But anyway, I guess it is important to note that at least there are a lot fewer cooks in the kitchen now, right?
Correct.
And some of the former employees and associates and others involved in Adam vs.
The Man, they're no longer in charge of this now, and you are not just a fan of the show or an employee.
You're actually a personal friend of Adam's from way back, right?
Yeah.
And so you're working then with his father and with his girlfriend, and you guys are basically consolidating control over all of this, what's been an issue here?
Yeah.
I mean, I was like an outside observer.
I was meant to observe as much as I can from the other side of the country and step in if something, if everything went really wrong, and try and make some decisions, try and get things back in order.
And that's basically what happened when he was arrested in Philadelphia up until the time that he was arrested in D.C.
And then for the last almost three months, I was kind of out here observing as an outsider and an insider.
And the biggest problem was communication with Adam and basically the state not letting us communicate with him.
There was three weeks at one point where they didn't let us talk or didn't let him talk to his parents, his lawyer, anything, any of us, that's for sure.
In the beginning, they would only let him call us for 30 seconds at a time, and not having communication with him was the biggest factor in anything that happened after he was arrested, because it was just, I mean, no crew, no one in that position would have been able to react any differently to that situation and just kind of being left in the dark so much at so many different times.
He was transferred so many different times.
They transferred him into like 15 different cells over this last couple months.
And every time they do that, they either take his phone privileges away for X amount of time, and we would just be kind of like waiting around for his call.
And it was a very stressful, it's been a very stressful couple of months because of that.
And just looking at the amount of money being thrown around, and there's no, there have been no, there's been no trial yet.
They've just held him and basically waited for his empire to crumble while they hold him without bail for a BS charge.
All right, well, so tell people how they can help support, and what else is other than donations?
Is there anything else that people can be doing to help support Adam?
Well, sharing Adam's videos is extremely important.
Just going through, looking at Adam's stuff and pulling out your favorite videos of his and putting them out for your friends and family helps us more than you could ever imagine.
And, you know, putting us out there and trying to get, subscribers are very important on YouTube and hits and all that stuff.
So, I mean, just hitting our ads helps us, if that's all you can do.
But if you go to adamvsotheman.com slash invest, you can make a donation there.
Five bucks helps, you know.
We don't ask for much, but Adam does need help because he is in a pickle right now.
And it does, it is shocking how much money it's costing and nothing even has, you know, there's been no trial or anything yet.
All right, well, good.
So that's, what's the address?
Adamvsotheman.com slash what?
Invest.
Adamvsotheman.com slash invest.
All right.
Well, thanks very much, Jeffrey.
Appreciate it.
No problem.
All right, that's Jeffrey Phillips, Adam Kokesh's buddy.
Adamvsotheman.com slash invest to find out how to help support.
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