Ray McGovern Interview

Tuesday afternoon I spoke with former CIA analyst and founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, Ray McGovern, about his confrontation last Thursday with “Defense” Secretary Donald Rumsfeld about his lying us into war with Iraq, Lt. Gen. Hayden’s appointment to run the CIA, the fight between the CIA and Pentagon over covert operations, the likelihood of war with Iran and why government employees ought to rat on their bosses.

Last year’s interview.

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6 thoughts on “Ray McGovern Interview”

  1. devilchild

    One of the most moving moments of the year, in fact, the moment when Ray McGovern stood up to Rummy. His later play by play on your show was funny and sad. “…i have a strong stomach and so I was not made physically sick by the Secretary’s words…but…” or something like that. Almost moved me to tears.

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