Daniel Ellsberg is on the show to talk about his book The Doomsday Machine and his experiences working in the RAND corporation in the early 1960s, specifically on the casualties numbers estimated from a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union and China. Ellsberg talks about how the casualties were underestimated by billions, and this wasn’t known until the 1980s. Ellsberg also explains how, during the original atomic bomb testing, nuclear scientists weren’t 100% certain that the test wouldn’t destroy all life on the planet by burning up the entire atmosphere.

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