FBI Could Also Have Thwarted WTC ’93

It was 13 years ago today that the New York Times revealed how easy it would have been for the Feds to have stopped that bombing before it started:

Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast
Thursday October 28, 1993

By Ralph Blumenthal
Page A1

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be use, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manattan Federal Court in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian army officer, was used by the Government to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the trade center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.

Supervisor ‘Messed It Up’

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I.. supervisor who, he said, “came and messed it up.”

“He requested to meet me in the hotel,” Mr. Salem says of the supervisor. “He requested to make me testify and if he didn’t push for that, we’ll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn’t do that.”

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. headquarters in Washington about the bureau’s failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.

“He said, I don’t think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York office to go to Washington, D.C.” Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him.

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem’s account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the New York people: “Well, of course not, because they don’t want to get their butts chewed.”

Mary Jo White, who as the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York is prosecuting defendants in two related bombing cases, declined yesterday to comment on the Salem allegations or any other aspect of the cases. An investigator close to the case who refused to be identified furher said, “We wish he would have saved the world,” but called Mr. Salem’s claims “figments of his imagination.”

The transcripts, which are stamped “draft” and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge’s order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.

In a letter to Federal Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Andrew C. McCarthy, an assistant United States attorney, said that he had learned of the tapes while debriefing Mr. Salem and that the informer had then voluntarily turned them over. Other Salem tapes and transcripts were being withheld pending Government review, of “security and other issues,” Mr. McCarthy said.

William M. Kunstler, a defense lawyer in the case, accused the Government this week of improper delay in handing over all the material. The transcripts he had seen, he said, “were filled with all sorts of Government misconduct.” But citing the judge’s order, he said he could not provide any details.

The transcripts do not make clear the extent to which Federal authorities knew that there was a pan to bomb the World Trade Center, merely that they knew that a bombing of some sort was being discussed. But Mr. Salem’s evident anguish at not being able to thwart the trade center blast is a recurrent theme in the transcripts. In one of the first numbered tapes, Mr. Salem is quoted as telling agent Floyd: “Since the bomb went off I feel terrible. I feel bad. I feel here is people who don’t listen.”

Ms. Floyd seems to commiserate, saying, “hey, I mean it wasn’t like you didn’t tray and I didn’t try.”

In an apparent reference to Mr. Salem’s complaints about the supervisor, Agent Floyd adds, “You can’t force people to do the right thing.”

The investigator involved in the case who would not be quoted by name said that Mr. Salem may have been led to believe by the agents that they were blameless for any mistakes. It was a classic agent’s tactic, he said, to “blame the boss for all that’s bad and take credit for all the good things.”

In another point in the transcripts, Mr. Salem recounts a conversation he said he had with Mr. Anticev, saying, “I said, ‘Guys, now you saw this bomb went off and you both know that we could avoid that.’” At another point, Mr. Salem says, “You get paid, guys, to prevent problems like this from happening.”

Mr. Salem talks of the plan to substitute harmless powder for explosives during another conversation with agent Floyd. In that conversation, he recalls a previous discussion with Mr. Anticev. “Do you deny,” Mr. Salem says he told the other agent, “your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?” Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev did not deny it. “We was handling the case perfectly well until the supervisor came and messed it up, upside down.”

The transcripts reflect an effort to keep Mr. Salem as an intelligence asset who would not have to go public or testify. A police detective working with the F.B.I., Louis Napoli, assures Mr. Salem in one conversation “We can give you total immunity towards prosecution, towards, ah, ah, testifying.” But he adds: “I still have to tell you that if you’re the only game in town in regards to the information,” then, he says, “you’ll have to testify.”

Studied for Signs of Illegality

The transcripts are being closely studied by lawyers looking for signs that Mr. Salem and the law enforcement officials, in their zeal to gather evidence, may have crossed the legal line into entrapment, a charge that defense counsel have already raised.

But the transcripts show that the officials were concerned that by associating with bombing defendants awaiting trial in the Metropolitan Correctional Center, Mr. Salem might have been accused of spying on the defense.

In an undated conversation, Mr. Anticev tries to explain the perils.

“We’re not allowed to have any information regarding that,” he tells Mr. Salem. “That could jeopardize, you know, if you go to see a lawyer, ah, you know, the the defendant’s friend or whatever like that, and you’re talking about things we’re not suppose to, ah, condone that. We’re not supposed to make people do that for us. That’s like sacred ground. You can’t be priveleged, ah, you can’t know what’s being talked about at all.”

Mr. Salem seems to bridle. “I, I, I don’t think that’s right,” he says.

The agent insists: “Yeah, but that’s just a guideline. If that ever happened, ah, you can back and reported on the meeting between, ah, you know, Kunstler and Mohammed A. Elgabrown. Forget about it. I mean a lot of people ah the case can get thrown out. You understand?” The references were to the defense lawyer, Mr. Kunstler, and his client in the second bomb case, Ibrahim A. Elgabrowny.

Mr. Salem seems to reluctantly agree.

“They want you to have a hand in it,” Mr. Anticev goes on, “But they’re afraid that when you get that kind of, ah, too deep, like me, it’s almost like, especially with all this legal stuff going on right now.”

If it were just intelligence gathering, the agent says, “You can do anything you want. You could go crazy over there and have a good time. Do you know what I mean?”

The agent goes on: “But now that everything is going to court and there is legal stuff and it’s just, it’s just too hard. It’s just too tricky, if, this, you know. And then there’s the fact if you come by with the big information, he did this, ah, let me talk about this with the other people again.”

“O.K,” Mr. Salem says. “All right. O.K.”

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For the full story, see 1,000 Years for Revenge by Peter Lance.

Update: See also James Bovard.

Update: Salem’s audio of his conversation with John Anticev.

27 thoughts on “FBI Could Also Have Thwarted WTC ’93

  1. Scott Post author

    I once told this story to a stranger who disdainfully informed me I was “full of shit.”

    I said, “Look it up yourself, October 28th, 1993, New York Times, Page one, by Ralph Blumenthal.”

    “Ralph Blumenthal?” he asked.

    I said, “Yep.”

    He said, “Ralph Blumenthal is a friend of mine,” and that he would indeed look into it. Then he said something to the effect that if it was true that Blumenthal wrote that, then I could take it to the bank.

  2. Tom Blanton

    I remember first reading this article right after 9/11 and, in light of OKC and 9/11, wondered if everyone in the government is totally retarded or do did they let this stuff happen on purpose. Now, I suspect that they are retarded AND they did just let this stuff happen. Although that may be unfair to retarded people.

    James Bovard did a piece that gives some background on the NY Times story here

    More fun stuff:

    Cheney links the 1993 WTC bombing with Saddam which is refuted by an earlier BBC story.

  3. Sol

    Why should the government want to stop it? The government has every incentive to NOT stop it.
    The result of 9/11, OKC, etc. is that the government gets more power and money. The AmeriKan
    Sheeple demand that. The more the government fucks up (or lets these tragedies happen) the
    more the government benefits.

  4. James Redford

    It’s actually far worse than that, Scott Horton. It was the FBI itself that manufactured the bomb that exploded in the World Trade Center in 1993.

    None of this would be known today if it were not for the FBI’s undercover agent Emad A. Salem taping his conversations with his FBI handlers (unbeknownst to them). Salem thought that the FBI might try to pin it on him so he took measures to protect himself. Indeed, without the FBI the ’93 WTC bombing would never have happened, as it was agent Salem who built the bomb for the would-be Muslim “terrorists.” Salem wanted to use fake ingredients for the “bomb” but the FBI ordered him to make a real one. When the making of the bomb was complete Salem told the FBI that they could now arrest the would-be terrorists, but the FBI told Salem that the bombing is to go forward. After agent Salem went public with his tapes in a news conference the FBI found it necessary to pay him over a million dollars just to shut him up.

    For more on the above, see the below New York Times articles:

    “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast,” Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 28, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4;

    “Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds,” Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 27, 1993, Section A, Page 1, Column 4:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm

    http://stateterror.web1000.com/fbi-bombed-wtc-new-york-times.html

    And see also:

    “Who Bombed The World Trade Center? FBI Bomb Builders Exposed,” Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash, The Shadow, October 1994/January 1995 Issue:

    http://pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html

    On the above webpage you can find the below two audio clips from one of Emad A. Salem’s recorded telephone conversations with one of his FBI handlers, FBI Special Agent John Anticev:

    http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3

    http://stateterror.web1000.com/emad-salem.mp3 (Backup copy.)

    The above clip is an excerpt from the below longer clip:

    http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3

    http://stateterror.web1000.com/SalemWBAI.mp3 (Backup copy.)

    The above clips are from a broadcast on WBAI Radio in the city of New York which aired this taped conversation between Emad A. Salem and FBI Special Agent John Anticev.

    The below transcript is from 2:57 to 4:31 min:sec from the longer clip (SalemWBAI.mp3):

    FBI Special Agent John Anticev: But, uh, basically nothing has changed. I’m just telling you for my own sake that nothing, that this isn’t a salary, that it’s–you know. But you got paid regularly for good information. I mean the expenses were a little bit out of the ordinary and it was really questioned. Don’t tell Nancy I told you this. [Nancy Floyd is another FBI Special Agent who worked with Emad A. Salem in his informant capacity.]

    FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: Well, I have to tell her of course.

    Anticev: Well then, if you have to, you have to.

    Salem: Yeah, I mean because the lady was being honest and I was being honest and everything was submitted with a receipt and now it’s questionable.

    Anticev: It’s not questionable, it’s like a little out of the ordinary.

    Salem: Okay. Alright. I don’t think it was. If that’s what you think guys, fine, but I don’t think that because we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A. and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!

    Anticev: Well.

    Salem: And then he put his head in the sand and said “Oh, no, no, that’s not true, he is son of a bitch.” [Deep breath.] Okay. It’s built with a different way in another place and that’s it.

    Anticev: No, don’t make any rash decisions. I’m just trying to be as honest with you as I can.

    Salem: Of course, I appreciate that.

    Anticev: And as far as the payments go, and everything like that, they’re there. I guarantee you that they are there.

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    For much, much more documentation on government-staged terrorism, see the below pages by me:

    “Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism,” September 30, 2005:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

    “9/11 ‘Hijackers’ Trained on U.S. Military Bases,” August 12, 2006:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58mforum=libertyandtruth

  5. James Redford

    It’s actually far worse than that, Scott Horton. The FBI didn’t merely let the 1993 WTC bombing happen, they made it happen. In the below article by me one can find audio clips of FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem and FBI Special Agent John Anticev wherein they discuss how Salem manufactured the bomb under orders and supervision from the FBI and the District Attorney of New York. Also one can find therein an additional New York Times article on this matter.

    “The FBI Bombed the World Trade Center in 1993,” State-Terror Archive:

    http://stateterror.web1000.com/fbi-bombed-wtc.html

  6. Scott Post author

    In Richard Clarke’s book, he describes Paul Wolfowitz’s insistence that Iraq is the real terrorism problem, not al Qaeda – that it must be Saddam behind all the anti-American terrorism in the world. The neocons hired a fake hack ridiculous crazy person named Laurie Mylroie, to write this claptrap claiming that Ramzi Yousef is not the Pakistani, raised in Kuwait, nephew of Kahlid Sheik Mohammed, associate of bin Laden’s “World Islamic Front Against Jews and Crusaders” – but is in fact an Iraqi Republican Guard, Mukhbarat secret agent!!

    After 9/11 Wolfowitz sent World War IV Woolsey on a mission to the UK to “prove” that the fingerprints of the Ramzi Yousef in US Federal Prison didn’t match those of the “real” Ramzi Yousef which had been taken in the UK some time back.

    From Newsweek we learn that not only did Woolsey find no such thing, but that Paul Wolfowitz tried to have Yousef – who was convicted in 1996 – classified as an enemy combatant (presumably so they could torture him into “admitting” that he worked for Saddam).

    “Wolfowitz

  7. Sol

    It’s amazing that when it’s all said and done not one of these neoturds will spend a day in jail for all the
    death, destruction and triliions of dollars their lies and actions will have cost the world. These same neoturds
    will live the rest of their long lives quite well off the AmeriKan taxpayer. AmeriKKKa, what a country!

  8. Sol

    9/11 – not one government employee fired or even demoted for incompetence or negligence.
    Instead the government further rapes the Bill of Rights, spies on its citizens, institutes torture,
    invades foreign countries, astronomically increases spending to lord over it’s own citizens and
    those of as many countries as possible, the growth of government explodes and the AmeriKan
    Sheeple cheer it all on. Government officials have near dictatorial power in this country.
    Now do the math and tell me what incentive the government has to prevent another 9/11?

  9. kirk a. hayes

    It IS in the interest of the megalomaniacs in charge that things happen to assist them in their run to consolidate absolute power over us and our nation. We have had our Reichstag Fire and our rulers have benefitted handsomely in power terms. It is now only a matter of time before that power turns on us. Obviously, those “with nothing to hide” or those who “have done nothing” will have no worries. Or so the supporters of the megalomaniacs who believe their lies will intone – until they get theirs, too.

    Only fools trust govt and believe politicians. We are showing we are a nation of fools.

  10. Oscar Goldman

    WTC ’93. OKC bombing. Flight 800. Is there a pattern here? What is the common denominator?

    Did the pattern continue on into later and greater incidents?

    I guess we can all rest easy knowing that our great and wise government’s law enforcement is out there protecting us. I sure am happy to fork out billions of my hard earned taxes to assist them. Golly what woud we do without them?

  11. Cous Cous

    Ironically, I found Scott’s story completely believable until he admitted his source was a tabloid. What was on page two of the NYT that day?

  12. Lazar hrebeljanovic

    After the ’93 bombing, Los Angeles Times on the front page and in huge lettters blamed bombing on Serbs. My relative managed to reach somebody there and was told that the LA Times received that information from the FBI. It looks like the FBI knew who the plotters were, so it’s very strange, to say the least, that they accused Serbs.
    Excellent article.

  13. James Redford

    Lazar, the FBI definitely knew who the plotters in the 1993 WTC bombing were, because the FBI were those plotters! See my above post dated October 28th, 2006 at 11:45 pm where one can find audio clips of FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem and FBI Special Agent John Anticev wherein they discuss how Salem manufactured the bomb under orders and supervision from the FBI and the District Attorney of New York. Also one can find therein an additional New York Times article on this matter.

  14. Scott Post author

    James,

    I disagree with your interpretation of the audio in question.

    Here is what they call the “operative sound bite.” (my comments have the >>>>):

    “Salem: Okay. Alright. I don

  15. Tom Blanton

    Oh what a twisted web little Miss Mylroie weaves. According to this “Iraq expert”, Saddam was behind WTC 1993, the OKC bombing, 9/11, the anthrax attacks, and other terrorist attacks around the world. From advisor on Iraq to Clinton to adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, she has made a career out of demonizing Iraq.

    One thing I really find bizarre is that her book, “Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf” (published in 1990) was co-authored with none other than …. drum roll ….Judith Miller – the famous friend of Chalabi and NY Times war agitator!

    Another thing that makes this 1993 story interesting is that Lynne Stewart, Sheik Abdel-Rahman’s attorney was just sentenced to jail for violating restrictions placed on lawyers representing terrorists by Ashcroft.

    Fans of the nasty little disinformation whore Mylroie can find her conspiracy theory about the switched fingerprints here.

  16. James Redford

    Hi, Scott. Your so-called “interpretation” is not veridical. Salem himself says that “we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A. and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!”

    That is, Salem is here saying that he and the FBI built the bomb, i.e., “we.” Indeed, he says it three different times here in three different ways: first he says “we [i.e., at the very least Salem] was start already building the bomb,” then he says “It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A.,” and lastly he asks “By who?” (i.e., “By whom was the bomb built?”) to which he answers “By your confidential informant” (i.e., by Salem).

    So Salem says three different times in three different ways that he and the FBI built the bomb!

    Concerning Salem’s following statement: “And then he put his head in the sand and said ‘Oh, no, no, that’s not true, he is son of a bitch.’ [Deep breath.] Okay. It’s built with a different way in another place and that’s it.” Here what Salem seems to be saying is that his boss in the FBI discounted the FBI and Salem’s role in the bombing to others in Bureau by disparaging Salem (of which something akin to this paraphrased comment regarding Salem would have been said to agents not directly involved in the bombing who had heard of Salem’s role, i.e., as if the ultimate source of what they heard came from Salem and he can’t be trusted), so instead they (i.e., Salem and those in the FBI who know of his role) have to continue with the lie of the bomb being “built with a different way in another place and that’s it.”

    Salem was the former Egyptian army officer and explosives expert within Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman’s circle of followers. Lawyers for the defense, Ron Kuby and William Kunstler, even argue that it was Salem himself who drove and parked the explosives-laden van into Tower One of the World Trade Center. What is known is that Salem was visually observed at the scene of the bombing shortly after the bombing took place. Also shortly after the bombing, Salem was even admitted to the hospital, suffering from an ear problem that was consistent with exposure to blast. Kuby and Kunstler additionally present details of Salem’s activities which show that he was acting as an agent provocateur for the FBI, such as trying to incite people to throw Molotov cocktails at a synagogue.

    The fact that Salem was *the* explosives expert and bomb-builder within Sheik Rahman’s circle is further reinforced by the fact that Salem tried to get the FBI to allow him to secretly substitute harmless powder for the explosives, but the FBI wouldn’t allow it (see the two New York Times articles I previous cited above for that). Let me repeat: Salem himself wanted to substitute harmless ingredients for the bomb. What this demonstrates is that (1) Salem was regarded within Sheik Rahman’s circle as *the* bomb-making expert (such that Salem would be allowed by them to be in charge of building the bomb), and that (2) Salem wasn’t all that concerned about anyone else within Sheik Rahman’s circle knowing the difference between fake or real bomb-making ingredients.

    Nor can point No. 2 be dismissed as Salem not being very cautious, because not only was Salem concerned enough about his dealings with the FBI to secretly record his phone conversations with them (lest the FBI attempted to deny the extent of their relationship with Salem and blame him for the bombing), but in the longer clip that I posted above Salem even tells FBI Special Agent John Anticev that he refuses to wear a “wire” in case he should be discovered as an undercover agent. In other words, if Salem thought that there was anyone else within the circle that he infiltrated that would know the difference between fake or real bomb-making ingredients then he wouldn’t have been at all keen–as he indeed was–on the idea of substituting fake bomb-making ingredients.

    There is simply no getting around the fact that Salem was the one who built the bomb under orders and supervision of the FBI. Not only did Salem say three different times in three different ways that he and the FBI built the bomb, but then you have points Nos. 1 and 2 which demonstrate that Salem was in charge of bomb-building within Sheik Rahman’s circle, and that no one else within this group besides Salem would have been able to recognize fake bomb-making ingredients. Then you add to this Salem’s previous history agent provocateur activities on behalf of the FBI in attempting to incite people to commit violence.

    But to crown all, this pattern of behavior fits in perfectly with the U.S. government’s well-documented history (i.e., modus operandi) of staging such Hegelian dialectical PsyOps attacks as the Pearl Harbor attack, Operation Northwoods (which although didn’t go forward due to John F. Kennedy, all the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on it), the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the 9/11 attacks, etc., etc.

    For much, much more hardcore documentation on government-staged terrorism, see my below pages:

    “Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism,” September 30, 2005:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

    “9/11 ‘Hijackers’ Trained on U.S. Military Bases,” August 12, 2006:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58mforum=libertyandtruth

  17. Lazar hrebeljanovic

    Thank you for your response, James and Scott.
    It was quite scary. I bet you they had plans for internment camps for Americans of Serbian descent. I remember being ready to pack up my family.
    Anyway, sorry for the digression, what I understand from all of the above is this:
    “Since I am the FBI, the Rule of Law does not apply to me. I am above it.”
    Ain’t that something.

  18. Oscar Goldman

    There is a world of difference between “they let it happen” and “they planned it.”

    And there is also a world of difference between “they let it happen because they saw it coming and thought it was beneficial to their interests” and “they let it happen because they couldn’t tell their heads from their asses.”

    Although the 9-11 conspiracy does not hold together as a single coherent story, the official dogma of the day does not either.

    In the end, my suspicions leaned towards a few knowing what was up and letting it happen, taking advantage of and kicking up dust around the confusion of the day. And it also seems likely that the hijackers had some key inside intelligence information, a fact which necessarily involves either involvement of our own government or deep penetration of us by a foreign power.

  19. Admin

    Yo Redford, can you give us your well-reasoned ideas on 9/11 and the Black Helicopters? Are you still a Tranny Hooker?

  20. Scott Post author

    James,

    I think you’re starting with your conclusion and then stretching. I haven’t read all about this in quite a while, but I believe Yousef was brought in to build it after Salem was pulled off the case.

  21. James Redford

    Hi, Scott. It is you who is starting with your conclusion and attempting to untenably fit the facts to it. This is due to the government’s psychological conditioning and indoctrination that we have all had since birth. It is exceedingly difficult for people to overcome this, even for people who are libertarian anarchists–especially as it concerns the hated subject of governmental conspiracies.

    Had you even heard this recording before I posted it here? Did you know that it was available online? If you did, why didn’t you post it along with the single New York Times article that you posted?

    Were you aware that the other New York Times article on this matter that I posted was also online? If so, why didn’t you post it, as well?

    The point of me asking the above is this: to put it bluntly, it would certainly seem that I am far more educated and far more well-researched on this subject than you are, Scott.

    Not that I’m asking people to unthinkingly defer to my authority of erudition. But it does speak volumes about who among us here is really on the ball as it concerns this matter.

    Moreover, Scott, I presented a detailed argument demonstrating the fact that Emad A. Salem was in charge of bomb-building within Sheik Rahman’s circle, and that no one else within this group besides Salem would have been able to recognize fake bomb-making ingredients. Whereas you have presented nothing to counter that.

    Indeed, I found a fourth (!) place on that longer audio clip that I posted above wherein Salem acknowledges that he is in charge of bomb-building within Sheik Rahman’s circle. At 8:31 min:sec on said clip, Salem says the following:

    FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: And then to go over there and the guy will ask me to build a bomb again.

    Previous to Salem saying the above sentence, he mentions the name of the “guy,” but I have to go over the clip some more to try to work out the name he mentioned, as it was an Arabic name and Salem says it rapidly.

    But the point of me bringing up this sentence it that it once again, at the very least, demonstrates that Salem was in charge of bomb-building within Sheik Rahman’s circle. And depending on how one interprets the phrasing, it could very well mean that Salem is here saying that he had previously built a bomb for this group and hence this “guy” is “ask[ing] me [i.e., Salem] to build a bomb again”: i.e., Salem had already built a bomb for this group, and now they’re asking him to build another one for them. But at the very least this sentence demonstrates that this group thought that Salem was the one to go to when it comes to having a person build bombs.

    Now on to other matters:

    Oscar Goldman:

    Criminally and morally speaking, there is no difference between LIHOP and MIHOP. They’re both treason and intentional complicity in mass-murder. Under U.S. federal law, the criminal penalty for either is the death penalty.

    But I do agree that it is important to get it right, because LIHOP continues with the government-created lie that there exists an al-Qaeda, and other large-scale terrorist organizations, independent from the Western intelligence agencies. Whereas the reality is that such large-scale terrorist organizations were founded by, and continue to be funded and directed by, the Western intelligence agencies in order to manufacture pretexts for setting up a police state domestically and for global domination, i.e., for more power and control.

    With LIHOP, people are incorrectly still lead to believe that there are, e.g., large organizations of Arabs, independant from Western governmental direction, that committed the 9/11 attacks and want to continue to commit similar terrorist acts. So with LIHOP, people are still falsely lead to believe that there is a great war of civilizations underway, when the truth is what it has always been: the war has always been conducted by the parasitical ruling elite upon their fed-upon, subjugated masses.

    You also stated,

    “”
    Although the 9-11 conspiracy does not hold together as a single coherent story, the official dogma of the day does not either.

    In the end, my suspicions leaned towards a few knowing what was up and letting it happen, taking advantage of and kicking up dust around the confusion of the day. And it also seems likely that the hijackers had some key inside intelligence information, a fact which necessarily involves either involvement of our own government or deep penetration of us by a foreign power.
    “”

    But your above comment doesn’t make sense. Whether they let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose, it’s still a criminal conspiracy, treason and intentional complicity in mass-murder. Again, under U.S. federal law, the criminal penalty for either is the death penalty. Morally and criminally speaking, they are both the same.

    Admin:

    I’ve never been a “Tranny Hooker.” But I thank you for your inquiries. I assume you have hung around the Anti-State.com forum. If you still go there then tell Jeremy to stop acting like a prima donna and to live up to his broken promises to me.

    Regarding the black helicopters, see the below:

    “What happened in Kingsville, Texas, Monday night?–Residents report unmarked helicopters, soldiers dropping from ropes,” David M. Bresnahan, WorldNetDaily.com, February 10, 1999 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16957

    “Fear and loathing in Kingsville, Texas–Local residents fuming over Army live-fire exercise,” David M. Bresnahan, WorldNetDaily.com, February 15, 1999 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16967

    “Is the Army invading Texas?–Officials, residents concerned about rash of exercises,” David M. Bresnahan, WorldNetDaily.com, February 15, 1999 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16968

    “Army admits live ammo used–Insist explosives, gunfire only from ground troops,” David M. Bresnahan, WorldNetDaily.com, February 17, 1999 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16973

    “Yes, Texas, there are black helicopters–Army source says they are real, as exercise nears end,” David M. Bresnahan, WorldNetDaily.com, February 18, 1999 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16977

    “Press charges rough treatment–Latest fireworks in Texas Army training exercise,” David M. Bresnahan, WorldNetDaily.com, February 22, 1999 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16985

    Regarding my “well-reasoned ideas on 9/11″ (rather, the facts concerning the U.S. government-staged 9/11 attacks), see:

    “Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism,” September 30, 2005:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

    “9/11 ‘Hijackers’ Trained on U.S. Military Bases,” August 12, 2006:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58mforum=libertyandtruth

  22. Ozymandias

    I don’t go to ASC anymore. It is nice to see that your behaviour is still relentlessly predictable. What was the name of that sexual technique you invented?

  23. James Redford

    Ozymandias, I assume that you are the “Admin” that I addressed above, since you are here answering the questions I put to that person. And indeed my erudition and skills of reasoning are here irrefragable as they were previously on Anti-State.com. It gladdens me that you took notice of that.

    Regarding your present query of me: in order to learn how to stay hard for a long time (i.e., as long as you want), while at the same time obtaining full male multiple orgasms with ejaculation but with no refractory period, read my posts contained in the below link:

    “How to Fuck Like a True Sex-God Stud,” TetrahedronOmega, October 2, 2005:

    http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21&mforum=libertyandtruth

  24. Ozymandias

    That’s spam. It’s more annoying than dangerous. It’s not for spreading viruses, it’s for commercial purposes, like a flyer in the newspaper. We get 400-600 of those remarks per day, most of them are held up by a filter, but these got through.

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