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Melissa Goodman an attorney in the ACLU’s National Security Program, discusses the U.S. military’s expanded role in spying on Americans, how the FBI and DoD have used hundreds of thousands of National Security Letters (NSL’s) to circumvent the law to that end, how NSL recipients have been gagged from speaking out, the Supreme Court’s decision to decline to hear a torture case on the grounds that it would expose state secrets, how the FISA court’s location inside the Dept. of Justice building symbolizes their relationship and how the government’s claims of “State Secrets Privilege” has been used to cover-up their lies since it’s first use over 50 years ago.

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